Should Trans Women be Allowed on the Main GWM Page?

"If you knew that she was trans, could you no longer enjoy those same exact pictures? Would it ruin your entire experience on the site?"

Yeah, it would ruin my experience.

BTW, I'm from Rio de Janeiro and in fact once met Heloiza Ferreira at a mall with a tiny black dress and heels.

My fondness for female fit bodies then reached an all time high.

If I was single, and I was not, I would probably talk to her (she was with an older woman that I would assume was her mother).

She's such a teaser.

And a woman.

She doesn't have my equipment down there.

Pics sell a story of who the person is. There is obviously not enough information, so we must extrapolate and guess that story. When we like pics, I believe we actually like the story we imagined, not how the pixels are in the right place.

The more real information we get about the person, the more likely we are to find out we were wrong and sometimes decieved. This can be even more upseting when we realise the real story is not one we like.

2 examples that could upset some people (not all as it is based on preference):

• They realise the athlete was born male and is still not a biological woman
• They realise the athlete takes PED

I think that this is accurate for why some guys are so resistant to trans models.

They see a girl that they're attracted to, and they create a narrative in their mind. When something complicates that narrative (she's trans, she's married, she's on PED's, her politics are wrong, etc), it's upsetting to them.

The girl in question is unchanged. She is who she is and her content is still strong and alluring. She's not gonna meet this guy. She's not trying to date this guy or sleep with him or con him into anything. The only thing that's happened is that his extrapolated imagination of her is now changed.

That's human nature and everyone is entitled to like who they like. Problem is that this site is supposed to be "a discussion forum and an archive of images and videos of muscular women, uploaded by users of the site."

We use it as p0rn, but it's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be a huge wiki-like repository of pics. There's over 1.5 million images here. There's plenty of women on here that other users find attractive who I find repulsive.

Trans muscle women could be on this site without negatively impacting any of the other women on here. It's not like the other women are posting their own pics anyway. I don't think the vast majority of them care or even know that they're on here.

I'm confident that a strong trans women would have at least as many fans as she does haters, and most users would simply not care. It's just a vocal, hysterical minority that can't simply live and let live. Imagine being mad about a trans model when there's freaking 1.5 MILLION OTHER PHOTOS TO LOOK AT. Who the hell has time for that? Trans models scare them because many of them are strong and beautiful. And they look exactly like many of the cis girls on here. Some look even more feminine than cis FBBs. We all know that it's true. That's why it's threatening to some.

The mods made this decision because they can't or won't enforce a ban on hate speech. They said that the moderation is too difficult. Seems easy to me. Make an announcement that bigoted comments about trans people (or any other people) won't be tolerated and earns you a permanent ban. Then just ban the problematic commenters.

I've seen a bizarre degree of tolerance for ignorance and misogyny and bigotry here. I can't imagine why. These ignorant users aren't juicing the ad numbers. They make the place look worse and feel worse. They're a buzzkill for anyone trying to get turned on by photos. I actually can't imagine any rationale as to why they're given so much deference.

Let us post up beautiful women of all types. Ban the people who talk s**t on any photos. It's okay IMO for this to be a place where negativity isn't tolerated.

No.

LMAO this website and mods were nice enough to allow transgender models here in the first but you guys are so woke with that bullshit

Same energy as "Lmao you blacks want to vote? You should be grateful we don't enslave you anymore!"

(obv different situation as this is just an obscure website, but the underlying logic is the same)

If I was single, and I was not, I would probably talk to her (she was with an older woman that I would assume was her mother).

She's such a teaser.

And a woman.

She doesn't have my equipment down there.

I don't mean this in an internet troll kinda way, but please go outside and touch some grass, breath some fresh air, instead of thinking about what random women on the internet have down there

Since you touched the subject in this very womanly way, I'll bring the REPEAL THE 19th AMENDMENT subject and see what you, FREYA, have to say.

;-)

It's a good discussion.

Same energy as "Lmao you blacks want to vote? You should be grateful we don't enslave you anymore!"

(obv different situation as this is just an obscure website, but the underlying logic is the same)

Dude enjoy your transgender bodybuilders to your hearts desire but comparing and using race/ethnicity to justify a sexual fetish is some sick shit.

I think that this is accurate for why some guys are so resistant to trans models.

I'm confident that a strong trans women would have at least as many fans as she does haters, and most users would simply not care. It's just a vocal, hysterical minority that can't simply live and let live. Imagine being mad about a trans model when there's freaking 1.5 MILLION OTHER PHOTOS TO LOOK AT. Who the hell has time for that? Trans models scare them because many of them are strong and beautiful. And they look exactly like many of the cis girls on here. Some look even more feminine than cis FBBs. We all know that it's true. That's why it's threatening to some.

The mods made this decision because they can't or won't enforce a ban on hate speech. They said that the moderation is too difficult. Seems easy to me. Make an announcement that bigoted comments about trans people (or any other people) won't be tolerated and earns you a permanent ban. Then just ban the problematic commenters.

I've seen a bizarre degree of tolerance for ignorance and misogyny and bigotry here. I can't imagine why. These ignorant users aren't juicing the ad numbers. They make the place look worse and feel worse. They're a buzzkill for anyone trying to get turned on by photos. I actually can't imagine any rationale as to why they're given so much deference.

THE point.

Most of the things said amount to wishful gaslighting.

Absolutely not. Female bodybuilders are regularly maligned with comments that they are looking too masculine, so to add transgender into this forum, would in my opinion create much controversy and disagreement. I'm sure someone will start up a unique forum to cater for their social media interests.

It’s so ironic that Vladi - our unofficial Queen of muscle girls - is regularly bombarded with transphobic hate and ridicule ever time she’s featured on a mainstream page.

They’d certainly consider you gay or trans-attracted for liking her.

Idk, I sleep with guys and girls so doesn’t bother me at all, but must be funny to consider that from your perspective.

I could draw a Venn diagram and you guys would have a nice bit of overlap with the commenters here.

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It’s so ironic that Vladi - our unofficial Queen of muscle girls - is regularly bombarded with transphobic hate and ridicule ever time she’s featured on a mainstream page.

They’d certainly consider you gay or trans-attracted for liking her.

Idk, I sleep with guys and girls so doesn’t bother me at all, but must be funny to consider that from your perspective.

I could draw a Venn diagram and you guys would have a nice bit of overlap with the commenters here.

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So sad. A female-born woman bombed with transphobic hate. How ironic. Sorry for her...

So sad. A female-born woman bombed with transphobic hate. How ironic. Sorry for her...

Ironic indeed. A huge portion of the population thinks that female bodybuilders look transgender or want to be men. They think that guys who like them are gay. They're laughing their ass off at all of us, and making fun of all of us.

Instead of fighting back against those sentiments by being more accepting and inclusive, some dudes on here simply want to push out the goalposts. "Normies think that Vladi looks like a man, but I think she's hot so she's a woman. But I'm not attracted to Paige Dumars, so she's officially too masculine"

I also have yet to get any kind of clarity on trans men. If men can't become women, then women can't become men. So if someone is born a woman, they are a woman forever.. no matter what they do, correct?

Can my homie down here be posted on the site? This person, Ayran Pasha, was born a woman, takes a massive amount of male hormones, and lifts weights...

Functionally, what is the difference between Ayran and someone like Rheta West? They have the same genitals. Ayran has short hair, Rheta has no hair and is wearing a wig. Neither of them have any breasts that I can see. Their supplement and PED use most likely looks very similar. They're both on a ton of testosterone and GH.

Ayran has facial hair. You can bet your ass that Rheta would as well if she'd didn't zap it with laser or electrolysis. That's the case for most of the bigger girls. Heavy testosterone simply be like that... whether it comes from testacles or a vial.

COULD IT BE THE PRONOUNS THAT THEY USE? If it's okay to post Rheta, is it okay to post Ayran too? According to "biological sex," Ayran is female right? They'd be using the ladies' bathroom in an increasing number of states.

I suggest that the great majority of people who ridicule Vladislava Galagan don't believe she is transgender.

^ There’s just no way that I’m reading all that. But I really enjoy speculating what you look like.

I usually envision Pollux Troy in “Face Off.” Am I close at all?

I've read every word, Zarkle, and I agree with the whole thing.

The idea of putting men disguised as women in this "GIRLS with muscle" site is ridiculous.

Make your own "TRANS GIRLS with muscle" site and stop trying to ruin everything.

Another wall of text to say nothing. Another "Vladi looks manly"? Purely their opinion. "I dislike transwomen on site, it is ridiculous"? Another opinion (again, the minority on the site based on the poll?) No. Has to be law. Yes, that's hypocrisy. Not to mention you completely avoided again to share your opinion on transmen on the site. Because there the hypocrisy is shown so loudly it is clear to the whole users.

What about half users?

Again, the problem here is that this site is described as:

A discussion forum and an archive of images and videos of muscular women, uploaded by users of the site.

Let's take "muscular women" at its broadest definition. They have to strong and muscular. They don't have to be traditionally attractive or hot. There are plenty of women on here with muscles who I don't find attractive in the least. And most guys would agree with me on that. This is okay, as they - of course - still have a place here.

If you believe that gender is permanently assigned at birth, then trans men cannot exist in your world. In your words, they are simply "biological females trying to pass themselves off as men." They are just as much a woman with muscle as any other woman with muscle? Let's abbreviate them TMBB (transman bodybuilders)

1. FBB & TMBB: Use testosterone & GH
2. FBB & TMBB: Have little to no functional natural breast tissue (TMBB most likely done via surgery)
3. FBB & TMBB: Do not menstruate (for on-cycle FBB's)
4. FBB & TMBB: Often have shorter hair (FBB by necessity, TMBB by choice)
5. FBB & TMBB: Experience facial hair growth (TMBB more likely to embrace and wear it)
6. FBB & TMBB: Born with vaginas. Born genetically female.

Given all of these data points, can anyone tell me why this Trans Man shouldn't be on the site? It his his pronouns? Is it the beard? Cody is a fairly unisex name. If he shaved the beard and put on a wig, would it be okay then?

https://www.menshealth.com/fitness/a43882661/...

And just to help you remember his "biological sex," here's a before and after. It's the same person. Just more muscles, less hair on top, more hair on face, and a very similar PED schedule to what most serious pro female bodybuilders use.