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Ever heard of Analysis Paralysis? Psychologists are often the very people who are the most deranged and only see things from their own narrow point of view. You need logical reasons why someone finds another attractive?
First, "psychological" does not equal "logical". Second, if we are reading and writing on this topic, I presume it's because we are interested in the subject.
Simple. They’re freaking hot.
Uhm...excuse me. Are you a man? If so, which alluring lady on this planet gave you permission to be attracted to her and her glorious muscles? These women are not here to look strong, to look sexy, to look beautiful for any man, let alone for you or for me.
If she doesn't know you or doesn't feel any attraction to you, you are objectifying her and undermining her strong, independent womanhood by your unauthorized fantasies of making passionate love to her strong, breathtakingly beautiful, muscular body, thereby proving to the world your deep-seated sense of entitlement and your undying hatred and resentment for women. This goes double, if not quintuple, if her physical might surpasses your own.
You pervert.
First, "psychological" does not equal "logical". Second, if we are reading and writing on this topic, I presume it's because we are interested in the subject.
Why do you think that psychology has 'logic' right there in it's name? ;) Maybe it doesn't appear logical at times, but i'd argue that it's aim is to be so as every scientific discipline aspires to be.
""I think this attraction is a spectrum between healthy, mutual connection between men and musuclar women and a connection based on some kind of power disparity or even outright masochism. There is a difference between a power disparity that simply exists between the participants and a power disparity that is acted out during the encounter or the relationship, such as through worship or emasculation and humiliation or outright sadomasochistic acts. This excludes potentially tender and compassionate acts, such as lift and carry.""
Exactly. It is up to each of their own to figure out how one can be on the healthy side of that spectrum.
The rest of your posts seems mostly like babble though.
The rest of your posts seems mostly like babble though.
Welcome to the Psychological Reasons Thread.
"The gist is that this is a sexual fantasy that enables the maximum passivity for the male participant."
By definition fantasy provides maximum passivity, as it is fantasy - not reality.
The fault in your reasoning is that the people on this site are not monolithic. Your ideas presuppose that everyone is here for the same fantasy/fetish. The real question is, what is the psychological reason that YOU PERSONALLY need to explore the psychological reason for being here? My guess is that you're either working through some issues or you're using this site to write your college thesis.
Also, it's not exactly a news bulletin that women want to be desired and men want to feel competent or that "guys say "I just wanna be horny" and girls respond "I want something in return for making you horny".
We await your "larger point" with bated breath......
Grdlegs: "By definition fantasy provides maximum passivity, as it is fantasy - not reality." No he means that this is a fantasy that involves passitivity, and he (zarklephsaer) is right about that.
"The fault in your reasoning is that the people on this site are not monolithic. Your ideas presuppose that everyone is here for the same fantasy/fetish. " Well come on, people here have similar fantasies. Its about muscular women. What does muscle symbolize? I´m quite sure that guys who are into dominating women or stuff like that dont go to this site. So everyone who is here is because they have some sort of want to look up to and admire women, which of course can vary quite much in intensity or severity perhaps is a better word.
I do think zarklephaser say some smart things sometimes.
the_settler: I know what he meant - just like he knew what I meant when I said this thread could be thought of as analysis paralysis. I still disagree. You're making a broad assumption, just like Zarklephaser4. For instance, a fantasy that involves voyeurism is even more passive than what he suggests. I'm amazed that you somehow seem to know that "people on here have similar fantasies" It must be cool to be all-knowing....I mean what's the point of psychoanalysis if you can just generalize about someone without knowing anything at all about them?
There is an aesthetic aspect to this as well. Others on this thread have mentioned that we are hard wired to look for a healthy woman for child bearing. The laws of attraction don't have to be based purely on psychological reasoning beyond this factor. We look with our eyes and we are pleased or we aren't. There are shapes that we find pleasing. Studies have been done to show that heterosexual men tend to like a certain hourglass shape.
I do find the conversation interesting though, but you offer a rather vague defense of Zarklephaser4 when you say "I do think Zarklephaser4 say some smart things sometimes." Elaborate maybe?
Grdlegs: Well I haven't followed this thread enough to know what the two of you have debated. I havent read what he thinks about voyeurism either, I don´t really care.
But don´t you think people here have some sort of similarity in their desires? Go into a pornsite and browse their categories. There are usually tons of them, but I haven´t seen anyone being Muscular women. So this is a bit special, even though it shouldn´t be IMO. Besides, I havent said I know everything about peoples fantasies, obviously I dont.
I agree with you that there is an aesthetics component. I htink at least 80 % of all men would find Vlada Galagan really hot and sexy (some might deny it out of insecurity).
Anyways, I do think zark has good points here and there but I don´t have time to elaborate for you atm. Don´t want him to be scared off by all the negativity, thats all.
@Zarklephaser4
"These thoughts again only apply to those who fetishize muscular women." - If that's not a generalization than what is??
"There is one reason that can be stated in multiple ways." - No generalization here either....
"I have already explained why this has no bearing on this fetish. Why won't you address that?" - Why can't you accept that a fetish for these types can be purely aesthetic? NEWS FLASH: Your ideas are not proven scientific laws, so maybe try to get over yourself.
"No it's not. I am not and never was the topic of this conversation. Why do you try to sound like you knew what you're talking about, were turning the tables and taking control of the situation, when none of that is actually happening?" - Yes it is, because you can speak most intelligently about your own psychological reasoning and not about people you've never met. So you're an authority on the topic but has nothing to do with you? It might be more interesting if you were speaking from you own experience instead of quoting some Psych mag.
"I have always been afraid of the question if this fetish is really a veiled desire to bonk one's mother. But now I can safely say that it isn't. The common factor is simply the fawn response, and that's as deep as it goes. The erratic behavior of mothers may traumatize some boys and cause them to learn to deal with all women by fawning." - You Zarklephaser4 can now safely say....WOW when are you accepting your medal? Another generalization.
Calling me a nitpicker is rich given your constant breakdowns of the posts with which you disagree.
Seems as if you don't like being challenged.
@zark: """Funny now that you say that. I think the big difference is that the content of most porn sites is based on human procreative biology. You have bare genitals everywhere, doing things together and alone, going in and out, smashing and sloshing, dripping and spewing fluids, being fondled, massaged, mangled and so on."""
Yeah, maybe it is. I´ve never really enjoyed it tbh, seeing people fucking. There is just no play or fun in it. Close ups and what you describe so well. With a beautiful muscular woman (not the porn stars like Angie Salvagno), you can start fantasizing a story or something. There is no thinking in pornography, only a release. Maybe thats why the big dumb masses like it so much? (The people who watch the latest marvel films and always go to the same place on vacation you know.)
"""This is a bit special, because as a fetish this has something to do with threat, force, superiority and inferiority. This is more like the schoolyard stuff before sexual maturity, where you had secret crushes and were afraid of being bullied. Ordinary porn is about abusing things you use to make children. Part of this fetish has more to do with feelings people had when they actually were children. Don't believe me. Just think about all the testimonies posted here."""
I get you and I would not be surprised if sexual fantasies are partially molded in our childhood. But I think that instead of this being "more like the schoolyard stuff before sexual maturity", it is a being in contact with the female part of you. You know, we all have both to some degree. Few men are like Jocko Willink.
I think a common muscle girl/woman fantasy can be that you´re a bit trapped with her. She playfully, gladly but still with control, wraps her legs around your waist from behind and you have the thrill of feeling the power and what she might come up with. (Maybe traces back to when you were afraid of women as a scrawny teenager.) Now, from my own experience this exact scenario turns women on as fuck. One exapmple: I dated this woman and when we made out in my sofa I held her real tight (but of course not violent) and then rubbed her pussy outside her pants. She touched my body a lot and later she had an orgasm. Not exactly of the ordinary for me, since I usually suck when it comes to intercourse. I think this is related to muscular women, you get my point I hope. Sorry for perhaps oversharing here.
Ever heard of Analysis Paralysis? Psychologists are often the very people who are the most deranged and only see things from their own narrow point of view. You need logical reasons why someone finds another attractive?