I am the type who prefers physical media, but I really might jump the gun on this early if it comes to digital.
It's so rare for a movie to linger this long in my mind. The last time was when I watched the Cronenberg version of The Fly over a decade ago in college.
"Rather be a schmoe than a schmuck" is fire. LOL I love it.
To the guy who said, "we're all schmoes here," I'm gonna respectfully disagree.
There's no hard and fast definition, but talking to ladies in the scene... to be a schmoe isn't necessarily good or bad, but it does mean that you're involved and fairly obsessed.
I look at this site every day, I subscribe to nearly a dozen onlyfans pages, I'm a member of herbiceps and awefilms, I do in person sessions, I'm a bodybuilder myself, and I go to (at least) the Olympia every year and ideally the Arnold too.
I'm a Schmoe. I'm down for life. The ladies like me because I'm polite, I'm not demanding or a creep, and I pay them for their time. Emphasis on that last part. They would call me a schmoe, and one of the good ones. What's not to like?
Contrast that with the random Instgram chud who sends message requests to every FBB, asking for their attention, never buys anything, never goes to shows, and only treats them like an object. He's a schmoe as well, but clearly a bad one.
If you like muscular women and you follow them on social media and check them out on this site, and it's hot when they show up in a movie or show... then you're not really a schmoe. You're just a guy who likes fit, buff women.
Same thing goes for gay men. I wouldn't say that gay guys have a term like "schmoe," but there's a clear difference between a gay guy who likes buff men (that's obviously pretty common) and a gay guy who's OBSESSED with huge muscular guys and worshipping them and getting dominanted by them all and that.
> I think if they put the Olympia on Netflix, it could attract new fans.
I remember years ago in the early 90's TSN broadcast the Ms.O a few times. It was reported that they had never received so many complaints about a program ever. Then I found that FBB disappeared except for the odd music video. Strangely enough I find there's reference to it in cartoons all the time so maybe they're conditioning the next generation? I have however seen coverage several times in the last week for Love Lies Bleeding in mainstream press. The girl in the movie is lightly muscled so maybe more people are ready for it now.
Yea but that was back when you had like 8 TV channels trying to appeal to pretty much everyone. so the football normies thought it replaced a more mainstream sport they liked. and they either had to watch this or something unrelated to sports like married with children or the x files or the news. that was fine but they wanted to watch sports. nowadays you got channels just for football. so people who don't want to watch female bodybuilding can just ignore it.
I think if they put the Olympia on Netflix, it could attract new fans.
I remember years ago in the early 90's TSN broadcast the Ms.O a few times. It was reported that they had never received so many complaints about a program ever. Then I found that FBB disappeared except for the odd music video. Strangely enough I find there's reference to it in cartoons all the time so maybe they're conditioning the next generation? I have however seen coverage several times in the last week for Love Lies Bleeding in mainstream press. The girl in the movie is lightly muscled so maybe more people are ready for it now.
Kids today think that a Movie actually represents Reality --- when no movie ever has in fact. Have any of you actually read a particular book (several times) and then watched the Movie Version? I think not.
I think the choice to set the movie in the 80s wasn't just about conveying the advent of bodybuilding as a backdrop, but also showing to a now mostly online audience that the feeling of not belonging remains even if you aren't spending all your time in a virtual space instead of a physical one. It also was very upfront about the consequences of the main characters' actions in a way I truly felt sad about, especially at the last scene. I'd personally rank it an 8/10, but for normies it's probably closer to a 7 because some of Stewart's acting in the climax felt a little overbearing. O'Brien carried the film because she truly seems like someone who has the mind and body of her character IRL, and this is the first media I've seem with either of these actresses.
I felt like the twist with the bodybuilding competition and Jackie's breakdown was a conscious rebuttal of the pipe dreams people have about easily becoming fitness influencers or just going in and winning a competition. If that happened today, her misfortune would be captured on multiple smartphones in 4K for the whole world to see.
> Just saw the movie in an early screening. I really like A24 films and bodybuilding, so watching it was a no brainer. It is a good movie with some very sexy scenes all throughout and some people will enjoy the ending as it scratches a specific adjacent itch (I’ll be ambiguous as I don’t want to spoil anything). However, if you are expecting a very bodybuilding focused movie, I’m sorry to disappoint you but it isn’t. It’s a good and entertaining thriller that just happens to have a FBB that wants to compete in a show as a protagonist.
> I’ll give it a 4/5 as a movie
Are there many muscle growth scenes?
Back from watching it, I didn't feel there were many but they were fitting and simultaneously tasteful & erotic by keeping it to the roid rage. The movie is basically sort of about venting a fetish without being a fetish movie by also being a story about not fitting in. I think the choice to set the movie in the 80s wasn't just about conveying the advent of bodybuilding as a backdrop, but also showing to a now mostly online audience that the feeling of not belonging remains even if you aren't spending all your time in a virtual space instead of a physical one. It also was very upfront about the consequences of the main characters' actions in a way I truly felt sad about, especially at the last scene. I'd personally rank it an 8/10, but for normies it's probably closer to a 7 because some of Stewart's acting in the climax felt a little overbearing. O'Brien carried the film because she truly seems like someone who has the mind and body of her character IRL, and this is the first media I've seem with either of these actresses.
Last note, I feel this was the FMG story I wish I could have written but never had the time, merit, or experience to produce, as I wanted to know more about the psychology of muscle girls and female muscle growth underneath the physical process. For me, it provided some of that and I felt I could relate to Jackie's dysmorphia, myself once being a chubby boy and now trying to work it off but never feeling sufficient still.
I really liked it, but I also felt like it ran with some common stereotypes about female bodybuilders. It's not as obvious or as dumb as Kris Murrell's cameo in Grown-Ups 2, but still...
For one thing, is it realistic for steroid use to make a person hallucinate like that? Roid rage was literally a plot point.
Even a film like this treats the hypermuscular female character like some kind of mentally unstable oddity or sideshow freak. To my knowledge, there's not a female equivalent of a movie like Stay Hungry.
My thing is, what was she expecting? The marketing of the movie has been practically selling sex and steroids.
I really take reviews from people like this with a stack of salt. It’s no different from a rage tuber complaining about woke movies and then finding all the evidence they can to support their complaints.
I watched her follow up video. I’ve seen her around TikTok before she is VER anti the fetish scene. I have two points.
If you want to get academic with it movies are about gaze. People complained for years about movies being outlets for a strictly male gaze—objectifying women mostly, romantic subplots that are mostly for the guys to imagine being with whatever type of woman. It’s a little more diverse these days, but a a movie about two lesbians directed by a woman should be getting more attention. Anyway my point is that most movies are glorifying or fetishzing something. They’re escapism from real life. The fantastic. Not everyone can be a jet pilot but we all feel the thrill of top gun and wish we were maverick.
My second point: if you’re looking for something and you already have a view about it you’re gonna be sour when you find it. She’s already anti muscle fetish. I’ve seen her replies to stuff. I’m not sure what she’s expecting out of this movie given the subject matter (the scene she talks about nonwithstanding) but I’ve talked to plenty of bodybuilders who were 100% unaware of the fetish side of things, many people are unaware. So yeah, maybe the scene is rooted in the fetish but you were already on alert for it.
I’ve yet to see it but I’ll let it stand (or fall) on its own merits. The big question will be is the scene consistent and appropriate given its context to the movie? If it’s unrelated or feels like it was thrown in because someone really really wanted it to be in there. But given the movie was directed by a woman and was written by, surprise, two women, it seems a little inconsistent to blame the fetish crowd which is mostly driven by men.
I will say they likely got someone who may be a little into it to help bankroll but idk there’s a lot of odd indie stuff out there, and this isn’t something that’s like “wow totally mainstream cash grab”
Edit: also btw 50 shades was actual fetish content, and no one complained. And twilight turned j to that too
Just saw it. Good movie, not great. I like how the cartoon foreshadowed the event at the ending a bit.
I also admit that i also liked seeing some male bodybuilders in the movie.
I think a little bit more than today but it will not be very mainstream
Will there be more pressure to reject athlete participation who clearly use PED's in pro sports? (bodybuilding, crossfit, Olympics, team sports, etc.)
No I think there will be more steroids and more advanced ones and they will make them legal in more countries too
Will we see more of them in movies/TV? And even there, will they have more prominent roles outside of the typical comedy or super niche arthouse studio production?
Maybe but I think it will come in waves and there will be periods with a lot of female muscle in movies and periods were it's rare
Will they be among the most popular social influencers/content creators?
I think there will be a few very mainstream fbbs that will be famous but it won't be common
Is popular culture shifting toward not only acceptance, but preference toward more muscular women?
I think people are now more honest about their preferences so it seems like there are more now in the past people only shared this stuff with their best friends
If it exists, how fast is the shift happening? Is it even noticeable?
There is a shift but I think it's just because of technology giving non mainstream things more attention and allowing us to find like minded people around the world
at least the marvel movies have strong women even if its pure fantasy super power stuff with little muscle .and while i was already getting sick of them in 2014 they were still relatively fresh compared to now
It wasn’t even a sexy movie, it was a Marvel movie, lol
Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy came out in 2014. Scarlett Johannsen was in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, but Karen Gillan who I say looks way better was in Guardians of the Galaxy, but she was in heavy makeup.
Given the rise of muscle mommies online, and movies like Love Lies Bleeding, it will move a bit closer to the mainstream. The question is how far it will move.
Will it move closer to mainstream then move back and become more niche? Or will it permanently become more mainstream?
well some people don't need much. these days i would never do this and i don't think i ever had the balls to do it in public but when i was a young teenager and i saw the 1996 movie striptease on tv (in 2007 not 1996 i was way too young in 1996) i couldn't take it anymore and started jacking off .there was really only a few minutes of sexy moments in there but it was enough. nowadays i have high standards and i don't bother watching movies just because they have some sexy moments. but i used to watch movies just because they had sexy characters even if the movie was lame like i used to get hyped up for james bond movies just to see who james bond would fuck. ok james bond movies are good so not the best example but that was my main focus the action and story was just bonus.
Here's my impression of Love Lies Bleeding... it's a good movie but not the greatest. Spoiler (sorry).
And if your looking for female muscle growth there's little on that matter. Jackie takes steroids every often in the movie before she is having sex with Kristen Stewart's character Lou, during the film when she is training, before a competition, and it comes to a head in the form the giant woman that she turns into very near the end of the film.
Again it's not a great movie but if you guys want a superior female bodybuilder scene than just buy Skin Deep on bluray with John Ritter and Raye Hollit. A bigger and beautiful in Raye gets John in bed. Not to say that Katy O'Brian isn't beautiful.
I worked in a movie theater in 2014. Funniest thing was two teenagers, maybe 14-15, who had apparently just met that day, were having sex in the back row of the brand new IMAX theater. They were caught, the cops were called, the parents showed up, the dads threatened to fight each other, the girls mom threatened to press charges, and it was a great day.
It wasn’t even a sexy movie, it was a Marvel movie, lol
I scrubbed through a bootleg version of the movie online. Most of the muscle growth shots from the trailer are all you see in the movie. Unless I skipped over something, you're not going to see anything hardcore like out of a DeviantArt comic.
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I am the type who prefers physical media, but I really might jump the gun on this early if it comes to digital.
It's so rare for a movie to linger this long in my mind. The last time was when I watched the Cronenberg version of The Fly over a decade ago in college.
"Rather be a schmoe than a schmuck" is fire. LOL I love it.
To the guy who said, "we're all schmoes here," I'm gonna respectfully disagree.
There's no hard and fast definition, but talking to ladies in the scene... to be a schmoe isn't necessarily good or bad, but it does mean that you're involved and fairly obsessed.
I look at this site every day, I subscribe to nearly a dozen onlyfans pages, I'm a member of herbiceps and awefilms, I do in person sessions, I'm a bodybuilder myself, and I go to (at least) the Olympia every year and ideally the Arnold too.
I'm a Schmoe. I'm down for life. The ladies like me because I'm polite, I'm not demanding or a creep, and I pay them for their time. Emphasis on that last part. They would call me a schmoe, and one of the good ones. What's not to like?
Contrast that with the random Instgram chud who sends message requests to every FBB, asking for their attention, never buys anything, never goes to shows, and only treats them like an object. He's a schmoe as well, but clearly a bad one.
If you like muscular women and you follow them on social media and check them out on this site, and it's hot when they show up in a movie or show... then you're not really a schmoe. You're just a guy who likes fit, buff women.
Same thing goes for gay men. I wouldn't say that gay guys have a term like "schmoe," but there's a clear difference between a gay guy who likes buff men (that's obviously pretty common) and a gay guy who's OBSESSED with huge muscular guys and worshipping them and getting dominanted by them all and that.
Yea but that was back when you had like 8 TV channels trying to appeal to pretty much everyone. so the football normies thought it replaced a more mainstream sport they liked. and they either had to watch this or something unrelated to sports like married with children or the x files or the news. that was fine but they wanted to watch sports. nowadays you got channels just for football. so people who don't want to watch female bodybuilding can just ignore it.
Katy O'Brian is considered "lightly muscled?"
I remember years ago in the early 90's TSN broadcast the Ms.O a few times. It was reported that they had never received so many complaints about a program ever. Then I found that FBB disappeared except for the odd music video. Strangely enough I find there's reference to it in cartoons all the time so maybe they're conditioning the next generation? I have however seen coverage several times in the last week for Love Lies Bleeding in mainstream press. The girl in the movie is lightly muscled so maybe more people are ready for it now.
Kids today think that a Movie actually represents Reality --- when no movie ever has in fact. Have any of you actually read a particular book (several times) and then watched the Movie Version? I think not.
I felt like the twist with the bodybuilding competition and Jackie's breakdown was a conscious rebuttal of the pipe dreams people have about easily becoming fitness influencers or just going in and winning a competition. If that happened today, her misfortune would be captured on multiple smartphones in 4K for the whole world to see.
Back from watching it, I didn't feel there were many but they were fitting and simultaneously tasteful & erotic by keeping it to the roid rage. The movie is basically sort of about venting a fetish without being a fetish movie by also being a story about not fitting in. I think the choice to set the movie in the 80s wasn't just about conveying the advent of bodybuilding as a backdrop, but also showing to a now mostly online audience that the feeling of not belonging remains even if you aren't spending all your time in a virtual space instead of a physical one. It also was very upfront about the consequences of the main characters' actions in a way I truly felt sad about, especially at the last scene. I'd personally rank it an 8/10, but for normies it's probably closer to a 7 because some of Stewart's acting in the climax felt a little overbearing. O'Brien carried the film because she truly seems like someone who has the mind and body of her character IRL, and this is the first media I've seem with either of these actresses.
Last note, I feel this was the FMG story I wish I could have written but never had the time, merit, or experience to produce, as I wanted to know more about the psychology of muscle girls and female muscle growth underneath the physical process. For me, it provided some of that and I felt I could relate to Jackie's dysmorphia, myself once being a chubby boy and now trying to work it off but never feeling sufficient still.
I really liked it, but I also felt like it ran with some common stereotypes about female bodybuilders. It's not as obvious or as dumb as Kris Murrell's cameo in Grown-Ups 2, but still...
For one thing, is it realistic for steroid use to make a person hallucinate like that? Roid rage was literally a plot point.
Even a film like this treats the hypermuscular female character like some kind of mentally unstable oddity or sideshow freak. To my knowledge, there's not a female equivalent of a movie like Stay Hungry.
Bummer that there are so many prudish people. it's like me calling the old Schwarzenegger movies gay porn and all the fans are gay
I really take reviews from people like this with a stack of salt. It’s no different from a rage tuber complaining about woke movies and then finding all the evidence they can to support their complaints.
My thing is, what was she expecting? The marketing of the movie has been practically selling sex and steroids.
I watched her follow up video. I’ve seen her around TikTok before she is VER anti the fetish scene. I have two points.
If you want to get academic with it movies are about gaze. People complained for years about movies being outlets for a strictly male gaze—objectifying women mostly, romantic subplots that are mostly for the guys to imagine being with whatever type of woman. It’s a little more diverse these days, but a a movie about two lesbians directed by a woman should be getting more attention. Anyway my point is that most movies are glorifying or fetishzing something. They’re escapism from real life. The fantastic. Not everyone can be a jet pilot but we all feel the thrill of top gun and wish we were maverick.
My second point: if you’re looking for something and you already have a view about it you’re gonna be sour when you find it. She’s already anti muscle fetish. I’ve seen her replies to stuff. I’m not sure what she’s expecting out of this movie given the subject matter (the scene she talks about nonwithstanding) but I’ve talked to plenty of bodybuilders who were 100% unaware of the fetish side of things, many people are unaware. So yeah, maybe the scene is rooted in the fetish but you were already on alert for it.
I’ve yet to see it but I’ll let it stand (or fall) on its own merits. The big question will be is the scene consistent and appropriate given its context to the movie? If it’s unrelated or feels like it was thrown in because someone really really wanted it to be in there. But given the movie was directed by a woman and was written by, surprise, two women, it seems a little inconsistent to blame the fetish crowd which is mostly driven by men.
I will say they likely got someone who may be a little into it to help bankroll but idk there’s a lot of odd indie stuff out there, and this isn’t something that’s like “wow totally mainstream cash grab”
Edit: also btw 50 shades was actual fetish content, and no one complained. And twilight turned j to that too
Yet another totally boring and dull movie.
I'll be curious to see how more female bodybuilders react to this movie.
Just saw it. Good movie, not great. I like how the cartoon foreshadowed the event at the ending a bit. I also admit that i also liked seeing some male bodybuilders in the movie.
Will there be more mainstream acceptance?
I think a little bit more than today but it will not be very mainstream
Will there be more pressure to reject athlete participation who clearly use PED's in pro sports? (bodybuilding, crossfit, Olympics, team sports, etc.)
No I think there will be more steroids and more advanced ones and they will make them legal in more countries too Will we see more of them in movies/TV? And even there, will they have more prominent roles outside of the typical comedy or super niche arthouse studio production?
Maybe but I think it will come in waves and there will be periods with a lot of female muscle in movies and periods were it's rare
Will they be among the most popular social influencers/content creators?
I think there will be a few very mainstream fbbs that will be famous but it won't be common
Is popular culture shifting toward not only acceptance, but preference toward more muscular women?
I think people are now more honest about their preferences so it seems like there are more now in the past people only shared this stuff with their best friends If it exists, how fast is the shift happening? Is it even noticeable?
There is a shift but I think it's just because of technology giving non mainstream things more attention and allowing us to find like minded people around the world
at least the marvel movies have strong women even if its pure fantasy super power stuff with little muscle .and while i was already getting sick of them in 2014 they were still relatively fresh compared to now
Captain America: The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy came out in 2014. Scarlett Johannsen was in Captain America: The Winter Soldier, but Karen Gillan who I say looks way better was in Guardians of the Galaxy, but she was in heavy makeup.
Given the rise of muscle mommies online, and movies like Love Lies Bleeding, it will move a bit closer to the mainstream. The question is how far it will move.
Will it move closer to mainstream then move back and become more niche? Or will it permanently become more mainstream?
well some people don't need much. these days i would never do this and i don't think i ever had the balls to do it in public but when i was a young teenager and i saw the 1996 movie striptease on tv (in 2007 not 1996 i was way too young in 1996) i couldn't take it anymore and started jacking off .there was really only a few minutes of sexy moments in there but it was enough. nowadays i have high standards and i don't bother watching movies just because they have some sexy moments. but i used to watch movies just because they had sexy characters even if the movie was lame like i used to get hyped up for james bond movies just to see who james bond would fuck. ok james bond movies are good so not the best example but that was my main focus the action and story was just bonus.
This just makes the above incident sound even more embarrassing.
From what I've gathered, the top themes of the movie seem to be:
.....
10,000. Muscle fantasy catering to a mostly ignored schmoe audience
Here's my impression of Love Lies Bleeding... it's a good movie but not the greatest. Spoiler (sorry).
And if your looking for female muscle growth there's little on that matter. Jackie takes steroids every often in the movie before she is having sex with Kristen Stewart's character Lou, during the film when she is training, before a competition, and it comes to a head in the form the giant woman that she turns into very near the end of the film. Again it's not a great movie but if you guys want a superior female bodybuilder scene than just buy Skin Deep on bluray with John Ritter and Raye Hollit. A bigger and beautiful in Raye gets John in bed. Not to say that Katy O'Brian isn't beautiful.
I worked in a movie theater in 2014. Funniest thing was two teenagers, maybe 14-15, who had apparently just met that day, were having sex in the back row of the brand new IMAX theater. They were caught, the cops were called, the parents showed up, the dads threatened to fight each other, the girls mom threatened to press charges, and it was a great day.
It wasn’t even a sexy movie, it was a Marvel movie, lol
disappointing