My point is that not everyone reacts the same as you. I am not saying that the pictures are in ANY way comparable to that situation but I do have to point out that not everyone reacts the same and shaming them for it, not being 'comfortable with their sexuality', not only goes against the morals of your own argument but makes the topic uncomfortable to assess without emotion. In my mind he did change the channel...he did not write in.
Same can be said for the second point. To say that people put in a separate section would feel bad AND IT MATTERS but people who object to it don't...I think you get the point.
BTW, the reply I got was 'the nanny should hold the remote'.
I mean ultimately that's what it boils down to. Why else would someone report it? I don't like certain images that get posted here but instead of reporting them I can choose to ignore them. That's on the person to figure out themselves, not the mods.
The difference between people who want to see them compared to people who do is that there's an easy workaround for the crowd that doesn't want to see them. Go to the next pic, there are only a million others. When someone complains, the pictures get deleted. Not exactly fair or equal, is it?
What about passable ones? Like I can clearly see that a person is trans but it seems like most people have no idea. Some people think it's just steroids but if one pays attention it's clearly not the case.
At best like a knee-jerk reaction - writing in to cancel a TV show you personally don't like, when you could just change the channel (see Gatsby's post above mine).
At worst a case of "othering", or implying that they shouldn't even be seen with the quote-unquote "real" women.
I once had to 'write in'- seems the gentleman and ladies aren't doing it much these days-, it concerned a law enforcement show at about 3pm. They showed real dead people.
Most people would probably say ah well, you see dead people on shows every day, but when I saw it I got a cold chill. There is something visceral about seeing a real dead person for the first time, you get a tingling feeling and just know that something is not the same, no actor or plastic model can do the same.
I experienced this age 32 and it still left me cold. My point is that not everyone reacts the same as you. I am not saying that the pictures are in ANY way comparable to that situation but I do have to point out that not everyone reacts the same and shaming them for it, not being 'comfortable with their sexuality', not only goes against the morals of your own argument but makes the topic uncomfortable to assess without emotion. In my mind he did change the channel...he did not write in.
Same can be said for the second point. To say that people put in a separate section would feel bad AND IT MATTERS but people who object to it don't...I think you get the point.
BTW, the reply I got was 'the nanny should hold the remote'.
It's your site and bless you for managing it, a job I couldn't imagine taking on. I feel your intent was noble, but my $0.02:
I feel the "separate forum" line should be drawn on content of the picture, not on if the model is trans.
There is an objective difference between muscle pics of a trans woman (eva.the.supergirl flexing in the gym) and nude pics focusing on genitalia (that lady posing with the Listerine bottle). Segregating all trans women pics, regardless of content, feels:
At best like a knee-jerk reaction - writing in to cancel a TV show you personally don't like, when you could just change the channel (see Gatsby's post above mine).
At worst a case of "othering", or implying that they shouldn't even be seen with the quote-unquote "real" women.
I see the wisdom in separating truly adult/NSFW^ content, but concentrating all and only trans women content into one little camp really seems to work against the plight to be seen simply as women.
^I also find it hilarious that we still use "NSFW" only for 18+ content, as if your boss would be totally cool with you surfing for barely clothed models sticking out their asses.
It's your site and bless you for managing it, a job I couldn't imagine taking on. I feel your intent was noble, but my $0.02:
I feel the "separate forum" line should be drawn on content of the picture, not on if the model is trans.
There is an objective difference between muscle pics of a trans woman (eva.the.supergirl flexing in the gym) and nude pics focusing on genitalia (that lady posing with the Listerine bottle). Segregating all trans women pics, regardless of content, feels:
At best like a knee-jerk reaction - writing in to cancel a TV show you personally don't like, when you could just change the channel (see Gatsby's post above mine).
At worst a case of "othering", or implying that they shouldn't even be seen with the quote-unquote "real" women.
I see the wisdom in separating truly adult/NSFW^ content, but concentrating all and only trans women content into one little camp really seems to work against the plight to be seen simply as women.
^I also find it hilarious that we still use "NSFW" only for 18+ content, as if your boss would be totally cool with you surfing for barely clothed models sticking out their asses.
Yeah, I agree. I've been having this discussion for a long time though, I know the intentions are good but it creates a weird scenario where we're just catering to these people who are insecure with their sexuality and report images because... it's not their preference I guess. Nobody is going to like every image on this site, should still be consideration given for people that do want to see those images though.
There's a definite difference between a trans woman posing/showing off their muscle in a way that we see all the time on this site from cis women, and a nude thread lol.
It's your site and bless you for managing it, a job I couldn't imagine taking on. I feel your intent was noble, but my $0.02:
I feel the "separate forum" line should be drawn on content of the picture, not on if the model is trans.
There is an objective difference between muscle pics of a trans woman (eva.the.supergirl flexing in the gym) and nude pics focusing on genitalia (that lady posing with the Listerine bottle). Segregating all trans women pics, regardless of content, feels:
At best like a knee-jerk reaction - writing in to cancel a TV show you personally don't like, when you could just change the channel (see Gatsby's post above mine).
At worst a case of "othering", or implying that they shouldn't even be seen with the quote-unquote "real" women.
I see the wisdom in separating truly adult/NSFW^ content, but concentrating all and only trans women content into one little camp really seems to work against the plight to be seen simply as women.
^I also find it hilarious that we still use "NSFW" only for 18+ content, as if your boss would be totally cool with you surfing for barely clothed models sticking out their asses.
I really don’t understand why some users have a Chernobyl style meltdown at merely glancing at a trans woman. Why not just simply move on to another image?
Agree... It does not bother me, i don't pay attention nor i am upset by it...
I really don’t understand why some users have a Chernobyl style meltdown at merely glancing at a trans woman. Why not just simply move on to another image?
Images/videos of trans women are not allowed outside of that forum section; this includes the main site.
Explanation:
We've had no policy regarding trans women in the past. We would typically allow posts on the main site, provided that they passed a certain femininity requirement (which, given that the site has lots of pictures of large FBBs, is not terribly stringent).
However, it turns out that a lot of users REALLY don't want to see images of trans women. It would inevitably happen that users would discover that a certain woman is trans, and then we would receive a flood of image reports; rinse and repeat every time a new image of the person was posted. The comments under the images would also devolve into a shitshow. Sometimes we didn't want to deal with this and would delete the images, or even ban images of the women in question altogether. I didn't post any policy about this because there wasn't a good alternative.
Now that the forum is more active and you don't need a separate account anymore, there's is a good alternative, which is to separate posts of trans women into its own subforum. People who are interested post/browse there, whereas for everyone else, a forum section is easy to ignore. This is similar to the Fantasy section for artwork and morphs.
The new board is 18+, so nudity is allowed and it does not show up for unregistered users, nor on the front page of GWM. Up until now posts of trans women have been largely made in just one thread (previously in the general NSFW section), however now that there is a whole board for this, feel free to spread out.
Excellent news!
I had been trying for weeks to nominate a candidate, but could never get around to it because the limit of 15 was reached.
As an extra suggestion I think it would be good to hide the number of votes for each candidate. It would make for much fairer results.
The list of gotw winners is getting so long. Can you provide an alphabetical list of who has won in the past so that they don't get nominated again? Or put an asterisk next to their name etc.
This week we're trying something new with the Girl of the Week nomination. There will be a full 24 hours to nominate a choice before voting begins, no matter how many women are nominated. This will last from 08:00 UTC on Sunday morning to 08:00 UTC on Monday.
Previously, nomination continued until there were exactly 15 choices, regardless of how long that took. Recently, it's been taking only a few hours. The idea behind this change is:
Everyone will get a chance to nominate someone regardless of what timezone you live in.
We have been having an issue with people using multiple accounts to nominate several choices; if this happens again, at least it won't steal a slot from someone else.
Using multiple accounts to screw with the GotW nomination or voting is a bannable offense.
The old forum has been deleted. You can still import your old comments from the old forum using your old forum login credentials, but if you have forgotten your old forum username or password, you're out of luck.
Something like that. Or perhaps a permanent limit. If an image was pinned 5 times and still didn't get beyond 50 points it should no longer be eligible for pinning.
Limiting the number of times an image can be pinned or how often could be interesting. For example not being able to pin an image before 1 month of the last pin date?
I've seen a lot of images that get repeatedly pinned to the main page. I think there should be a limit on how many times an image can get pinned in a certain timeframe. I mean if an image can't get 50 likes after being repeatedly pinned, maybe it's time to allow other images to appear instead. That people might actually like.
Then you should use this page to import your old comments and link them to your GWM account.
I am going to be deleting the old forum in the coming few weeks. You will still be able to link your account after that point, but you will not be able to reset your old forum password if you have forgotten it.
If you have any questions about this, please ask here.
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I mean ultimately that's what it boils down to. Why else would someone report it? I don't like certain images that get posted here but instead of reporting them I can choose to ignore them. That's on the person to figure out themselves, not the mods.
The difference between people who want to see them compared to people who do is that there's an easy workaround for the crowd that doesn't want to see them. Go to the next pic, there are only a million others. When someone complains, the pictures get deleted. Not exactly fair or equal, is it?
Trans women are women, who cares if they have a ding dong? It's not even shown in the images here.
Bit disappointing that we all can't just respect who they are appreciate the hard work they put in like we do for everyone else posted here.
What about passable ones? Like I can clearly see that a person is trans but it seems like most people have no idea. Some people think it's just steroids but if one pays attention it's clearly not the case.
Thanks.
I don't like seeing photos of trans, happy with the decision.
Guess some people will disagree and that's fine - personally for me it was a win.
I once had to 'write in'- seems the gentleman and ladies aren't doing it much these days-, it concerned a law enforcement show at about 3pm. They showed real dead people.
Most people would probably say ah well, you see dead people on shows every day, but when I saw it I got a cold chill. There is something visceral about seeing a real dead person for the first time, you get a tingling feeling and just know that something is not the same, no actor or plastic model can do the same.
I experienced this age 32 and it still left me cold. My point is that not everyone reacts the same as you. I am not saying that the pictures are in ANY way comparable to that situation but I do have to point out that not everyone reacts the same and shaming them for it, not being 'comfortable with their sexuality', not only goes against the morals of your own argument but makes the topic uncomfortable to assess without emotion. In my mind he did change the channel...he did not write in.
Same can be said for the second point. To say that people put in a separate section would feel bad AND IT MATTERS but people who object to it don't...I think you get the point.
BTW, the reply I got was 'the nanny should hold the remote'.
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Yeah, I agree. I've been having this discussion for a long time though, I know the intentions are good but it creates a weird scenario where we're just catering to these people who are insecure with their sexuality and report images because... it's not their preference I guess. Nobody is going to like every image on this site, should still be consideration given for people that do want to see those images though.
There's a definite difference between a trans woman posing/showing off their muscle in a way that we see all the time on this site from cis women, and a nude thread lol.
End of the day it is their site though.
Chainer,
It's your site and bless you for managing it, a job I couldn't imagine taking on. I feel your intent was noble, but my $0.02:
I feel the "separate forum" line should be drawn on content of the picture, not on if the model is trans.
There is an objective difference between muscle pics of a trans woman (eva.the.supergirl flexing in the gym) and nude pics focusing on genitalia (that lady posing with the Listerine bottle). Segregating all trans women pics, regardless of content, feels:
I see the wisdom in separating truly adult/NSFW^ content, but concentrating all and only trans women content into one little camp really seems to work against the plight to be seen simply as women.
^I also find it hilarious that we still use "NSFW" only for 18+ content, as if your boss would be totally cool with you surfing for barely clothed models sticking out their asses.
Agree... It does not bother me, i don't pay attention nor i am upset by it...
I would definitely prefer to know if a model is trans.
I really don’t understand why some users have a Chernobyl style meltdown at merely glancing at a trans woman. Why not just simply move on to another image?
The changes:
Explanation:
We've had no policy regarding trans women in the past. We would typically allow posts on the main site, provided that they passed a certain femininity requirement (which, given that the site has lots of pictures of large FBBs, is not terribly stringent).
However, it turns out that a lot of users REALLY don't want to see images of trans women. It would inevitably happen that users would discover that a certain woman is trans, and then we would receive a flood of image reports; rinse and repeat every time a new image of the person was posted. The comments under the images would also devolve into a shitshow. Sometimes we didn't want to deal with this and would delete the images, or even ban images of the women in question altogether. I didn't post any policy about this because there wasn't a good alternative.
Now that the forum is more active and you don't need a separate account anymore, there's is a good alternative, which is to separate posts of trans women into its own subforum. People who are interested post/browse there, whereas for everyone else, a forum section is easy to ignore. This is similar to the Fantasy section for artwork and morphs.
The new board is 18+, so nudity is allowed and it does not show up for unregistered users, nor on the front page of GWM. Up until now posts of trans women have been largely made in just one thread (previously in the general NSFW section), however now that there is a whole board for this, feel free to spread out.
There is more discussion and reasoning here.
Excellent news! I had been trying for weeks to nominate a candidate, but could never get around to it because the limit of 15 was reached. As an extra suggestion I think it would be good to hide the number of votes for each candidate. It would make for much fairer results.
The list of gotw winners is getting so long. Can you provide an alphabetical list of who has won in the past so that they don't get nominated again? Or put an asterisk next to their name etc.
This week we're trying something new with the Girl of the Week nomination. There will be a full 24 hours to nominate a choice before voting begins, no matter how many women are nominated. This will last from 08:00 UTC on Sunday morning to 08:00 UTC on Monday.
Previously, nomination continued until there were exactly 15 choices, regardless of how long that took. Recently, it's been taking only a few hours. The idea behind this change is:
Using multiple accounts to screw with the GotW nomination or voting is a bannable offense.
The old forum has been deleted. You can still import your old comments from the old forum using your old forum login credentials, but if you have forgotten your old forum username or password, you're out of luck.
Thanks !!
Something like that. Or perhaps a permanent limit. If an image was pinned 5 times and still didn't get beyond 50 points it should no longer be eligible for pinning.
Limiting the number of times an image can be pinned or how often could be interesting. For example not being able to pin an image before 1 month of the last pin date?
I've seen a lot of images that get repeatedly pinned to the main page. I think there should be a limit on how many times an image can get pinned in a certain timeframe. I mean if an image can't get 50 likes after being repeatedly pinned, maybe it's time to allow other images to appear instead. That people might actually like.
If you had an account on the old forum: https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/oldforum/
Then you should use this page to import your old comments and link them to your GWM account.
I am going to be deleting the old forum in the coming few weeks. You will still be able to link your account after that point, but you will not be able to reset your old forum password if you have forgotten it.
If you have any questions about this, please ask here.