I remember back when I was 14 or 15 and my class mates were talking who girl in our class was best looking. Most said it was either Jasmine (small and thin girl who had surprisingly big butt stuffed in super tight jeans and usually wore clothes that left her flat belly visible) or Nina (much bigger girl with quite wide hips and easily the biggest boobs in our school). Unfortunately both were real bitches if I would have to describe them with single word. When others asked who I liked best I said Anna who was really athletic and energetic girl. I liked to hang out with her because she had great sense of humor. She was also taller than any boy in our class (only couple of inches, but still). Anna was really athletic and even if she wasn't muscular, she had toned arms and legs and was training for six pack. Other boys immediately rolled their eyes and told me that no real man would like girl who is bigger and stronger that him. After that I usually kept my opinions about fit girls to my own.
I remember this one time when me, Anna and couple other friends were hanging around. Smackdown and wrestling was popular thing at that time and we were talking about it when someone asked who would win, if we were pitted against each other? We didn't want to hurt each other, so we decided to arm wrestle instead. I actually hold quite well against most others, but Anna totally dominated me. At first I managed to hold her steady, but slowly she pinned me down. As that happened she flexed her arm and we saw small, but nicely formed bicep popping out of it. And even if she didn't train her arms too much, it was hard.
But even before that I think I preferred "strong girls" over traditionally attractive girls (big boobs etc). I liked girls in movies and stories who had strong personality, but who also were physically strong. Especially later when I started to watch anime, I usually preferred more athletic or buff girls over others.
When I finally got my own computer and stable Internet connection I was able to explore web freely and discover more material to my liking. Especially erotic and/or romantic literature about muscular girls finally showed me that there are other men and women who prefer more fit girls.
One funny thing that happened recently was when I was hanging with guys (we have Esport team and keep very close contact) and we started to talk about our preference in women. With these guys I could share my preference of fit and strong women and to my surprise guys agreed with me. It turned out that we all like more fit girls, with some meat on them, instead of being really thin or slender. One said that recent crossfit enthusiasm was blessing, because finally girls have courage to build their bodies up instead dieting down.
You bring up the point of the camgirl ads being sexual and how that relates to the content on the site generally not being allowed to be as sexual. The two are related but not exactly in the way that you think.
Based on my experience running the site over the past 11 years, it's much easier to get high quality ads for non-adult sites than it is for adult sites. By "high quality", I mean ads that pay well and also are minimally invasive to the user--for example, a banner rather than a popup. Now, GWM could be considered what I would call "PG-13" (if you're familiar with the American movie rating system) in that it straddles the line between being considered adult content, versus not. As such, I've worked with many ad agencies over the years, some of which were geared specifically toward adult sites, and some of which disallowed adult sites altogether, and it has consistently been my experience that the latter gives higher quality ads than the former.
So in short, the more suggestive pictures I allow of the kind that Cindy frequently outputs, the more the site starts leaning toward the "adult" side of PG-13 and the harder it becomes for me to find high quality ads for the site. If, for example, I were to start allowing full nudity on the site, the chances of working with a non-adult ad network in the future would drop to basically 0. This is also related to why the webcam ads being sexual doesn't matter as much, because if I were to stop doing business with them the ads would be gone and would not factor into what appears on the site when I am looking for ad networks. (Aside from this, I like the webcam ads because they're very well targeted toward the site users and are also not very invasive; compare to a hypothetical "PENIS ENLARGEMENT!!!11!" popup, for example.)
This is one tradeoff among several others (read this for more) that I consider when looking through the uploads and picking ones to delete. If I come across a more sexual picture that has lots of positives going for it--a good amount of muscle showing, or a new model without lots of pics on the site--I might lean towards keeping it. If, on the other hand, the picture doesn't show much muscularity and the model already has thousands of pics on the site, as is the case with Cindy, usually I'll lean toward deleting it.
To clear up one point of confusion:
it's hard to argue any of her photos are mediocre when they're professionally done
When I say "mediocre" I mean "mediocre" in terms of not passing the aforementioned tradeoff (and others), not just in terms of photographic quality.
For me it was a couple things. I was in high school, and my school's gymnastics team trained at the gym and I would just seat and watch the girls perform their exercises. But, there was a special one. She was older than the rest - probably 18 and had the typical pro gymnast physique, short and lean but very muscular. Just watching her doing handstand pushups... did I mention she was quite cute as well? Well, that was my first tantalizing moment. The second one, the definitive, was "Getting Physical", the 1984 made-for-tv movie featuring Alexandra Paul and many of that era's best fbbs. I made a betamax copy of that and kept it dear to my heart for years. The rest is history.
Why irrelevant pictures and movies are tolerated on GWM, I mean showing women and girls without a sufficient muscularity? Sometimes there is no muscular hypertrophy at all! I'm sick of "lift and carry" or martial arts (etc.) here without a remarquable muscularity, it should not be tolerated on this website.
The Austrian filmmaker and director Fussenegger (well, who doesn't know him ;-) ) is currently casting FBBs for a movie. It won't be a documentary, it'll be a fictional story about the life of a FBB. I suggest to give him some thumbs up to show there is interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqwCQXMnqOU
Kelly Lynch actress has big muscles. She is in lifetime movie dark desire. Man her arms are very big for an actress. She has a shapely sexy calves. Anyone have videos of her flexing?
Nemesis 2 in particular features excellent footage displaying Sue Price's breathtaking physique (see image). Nemesis 4 shows even more, but it's... well, kind of an awkward movie to say the least. Not that the others should have won any Oscar, anyway... but Sue Price is spectacular and for her presence alone these movies are well worth a vision :-)
I'm also a fan of female celebrity biceps. I wish more of them would flex on camera.
Anyway, here are a few of my favorites over the years:
Jessica Biel Katie Couric Elisabeth Hasselbeck Angela Bassett Linda Hamilton Sarah Jessica Parker Kaley Cuoco Brooke Shields
Linda Hamilton for sure. The second Terminator movie. Obviously not steroid big, but in great shape long before the fitness wave crashed on the beach and it became fashionable.
If you don't feel like buying the movie, you can still download the sample clip. There used to be a longer clip of this fight on youtube, but I can't find it anymore.
Also, fbb Liang Yue Yun taking some belly punches in this clip:
The latter reminded me of something that is really bothering: why is it that they can't give female bodybuilders better roles than just villaneous cameos who appear for at most 5 minutes? I don't mind seeing them being beaten up, even by skinny girls, but why do the world fear and hate their image so much?
I've been consumed with lust for muscular women ever since I saw "Skin Deep" way back in the 80s in the movie theatre and had a throbbing hard on for the next ten minutes after seeing Raye Hollit's magnificent back and hard biceps. I've only told ever told very few people, and I didn't even tell my wife until one day she checked out my browser history (she later apologized) and saw that I was checking out Yvette Bova's site. (side note: I love really big muscular black women most of all.)
But it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to us. From me admitting my desires we ended up discussing our own sexual preferences in greater detail, and eventually opened up our relationship and started swinging. Sex parties, private orgies and fun with other couples has actually made our relationship stronger and or sex lives amazing. Unfortunately I still haven't experienced a muscular woman, but she's always on the lookout for me, and I've no doubt it'll happen eventually. :)
But would I tell people at work that I love giant biceps, huge thighs, and hard abs on a tough, hot female bodybuilder? Not on your life. :)
"the desire to create the perfect woman" Most of the morphs I've seen seem to be almost comical and ridiculously exagerated "over morphed" I can't think that when they look like that that someone was setting out to make the perfect women.
Well, you should. Those who do that kind of morphs clearly like the unrealistic overly built looks. Everyone has their own opinion on what perfection is. It doesn't have to be achievable in flesh.
I know what it is I just don't get why some people like it, I mean you know it's fake when you see it so what's the point. Or is it to make realistic people look sort of toony? If that's the attraction I guess I could understand that since there are more kinds of fetishes then I can even imagine nowadays. And whatever floats your boat I'm not one to judge. I was just curious to what the atrraction is to morphed images.
It's a fantasy.
Why do you watch movies not based on true stories, or why do you read novels? Don't you know their stories are made up? So how come you enjoy them?
I think there is a shift on what we think the role of a man and a woman is in society as to what it was like before and when you take into account that and some other factors you see an overall de-emasculation of men and more accepted for woman to act masculine.
What I mean is that looking at popular culture you can tell more femine traits are being sought after in guys with the rise of singers like Justin Bieber, Jonas Brothers, and One Directions (Music taste and preference aside these are popular culture.) who are younger, emotional, artistic, and have less masculine features overall facially and in muscle but this is the norm as opposed to the action movie era of the 80's/90's. Now there are exceptions to the norm and woman who will always be in the minority but from my observations this is the way it has gone.
Woman on the other hand are going the other way with it albeit with limitations. Woman are can be more sexually open then once before and have more authority in relationships. There is not a sport in my province that does not have a female equivalent and ones that dont allow woman to play on the same teams are guys, hell I know woman boxers/wrestlers who due to weight classes fight guys and won (Usually using speed over strength). There has been a higher interest in things such as Crossfit and fitness in general and when I go to the gym there are way more woman overall then men although free weights are still male dominated.
Im not an expert but Im just going off my own observations. As men are lucky as we can act more femine then woman can be masculine overall. More woman are seeing being fit and showing some muscle as sexy and more men seem to be accepting of it but I think it has more to do with our societies current focus on health and fitness in this decade and higher fat diets that leads to more naturally muscular woman now then in the past but its a fine line for a woman before being shunned by men for being "too muscular" even at the fitness level.
As each generation passes I think we will actually see a shift in this role more so but not so much that we will see a complete reversal but more of an evening out and that will not be anytime soon but over the coarse of a few generations. Woman who work out now also have better supplements then use to be available to put on size easier but if the trent increases then who is to say each generation of woman wont have an easier time putting on weight/muscle density and if men keep going at their trent we may see a generation of men who have a harder time putting on muscle which seems like it would come sooner then the opposite.
I also heard somewhere that in the Y chromosome that makes a baby male as each generation goes by it is getting smaller. I have heard things disproving and for this so it may play an overall factor but if thats the case it is not something we can help and emasculation is gonna happen but I think even it is a case that the Y chromosome is shrinking Im thinking it caused by our actions rather then on its own but I aint no scientist, just a man who likes woman with big muscles.
Im actually not in favor of this whole role reversal thing as Im just kind of a masculine guy who things a man should be a man but to each their own. I also do not want to say its getting easier for woman to put on muscle to a noticeable degree or not because I dont wish to take anything away from the current generation of female atheletes who worked hard for their results but when I see that 17 year old girl from the UK and Haylee McNeff at 21 and hear they are natural (Which I do not doubt at all.) it makes me think of these things.
Sorry bout the short novel guys but I mum this idea in my head quite a bit haha.
hi brian since your from the uk,i wonder if you can remember katy hill from the blue peter shows if not check her out ,and see what you think..also nomai rapace from the girl with the dragon tatto fame..theres the scene in that movie were,shes making love to another woman and both girls are buff n muscular.now thats a rare sight
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I remember back when I was 14 or 15 and my class mates were talking who girl in our class was best looking. Most said it was either Jasmine (small and thin girl who had surprisingly big butt stuffed in super tight jeans and usually wore clothes that left her flat belly visible) or Nina (much bigger girl with quite wide hips and easily the biggest boobs in our school). Unfortunately both were real bitches if I would have to describe them with single word. When others asked who I liked best I said Anna who was really athletic and energetic girl. I liked to hang out with her because she had great sense of humor. She was also taller than any boy in our class (only couple of inches, but still). Anna was really athletic and even if she wasn't muscular, she had toned arms and legs and was training for six pack. Other boys immediately rolled their eyes and told me that no real man would like girl who is bigger and stronger that him. After that I usually kept my opinions about fit girls to my own.
I remember this one time when me, Anna and couple other friends were hanging around. Smackdown and wrestling was popular thing at that time and we were talking about it when someone asked who would win, if we were pitted against each other? We didn't want to hurt each other, so we decided to arm wrestle instead. I actually hold quite well against most others, but Anna totally dominated me. At first I managed to hold her steady, but slowly she pinned me down. As that happened she flexed her arm and we saw small, but nicely formed bicep popping out of it. And even if she didn't train her arms too much, it was hard.
But even before that I think I preferred "strong girls" over traditionally attractive girls (big boobs etc). I liked girls in movies and stories who had strong personality, but who also were physically strong. Especially later when I started to watch anime, I usually preferred more athletic or buff girls over others.
When I finally got my own computer and stable Internet connection I was able to explore web freely and discover more material to my liking. Especially erotic and/or romantic literature about muscular girls finally showed me that there are other men and women who prefer more fit girls.
One funny thing that happened recently was when I was hanging with guys (we have Esport team and keep very close contact) and we started to talk about our preference in women. With these guys I could share my preference of fit and strong women and to my surprise guys agreed with me. It turned out that we all like more fit girls, with some meat on them, instead of being really thin or slender. One said that recent crossfit enthusiasm was blessing, because finally girls have courage to build their bodies up instead dieting down.
Here is a link, m76:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCo2uqlAi4s
Diamonds Are Forever
Based on my experience running the site over the past 11 years, it's much easier to get high quality ads for non-adult sites than it is for adult sites. By "high quality", I mean ads that pay well and also are minimally invasive to the user--for example, a banner rather than a popup. Now, GWM could be considered what I would call "PG-13" (if you're familiar with the American movie rating system) in that it straddles the line between being considered adult content, versus not. As such, I've worked with many ad agencies over the years, some of which were geared specifically toward adult sites, and some of which disallowed adult sites altogether, and it has consistently been my experience that the latter gives higher quality ads than the former.
So in short, the more suggestive pictures I allow of the kind that Cindy frequently outputs, the more the site starts leaning toward the "adult" side of PG-13 and the harder it becomes for me to find high quality ads for the site. If, for example, I were to start allowing full nudity on the site, the chances of working with a non-adult ad network in the future would drop to basically 0. This is also related to why the webcam ads being sexual doesn't matter as much, because if I were to stop doing business with them the ads would be gone and would not factor into what appears on the site when I am looking for ad networks. (Aside from this, I like the webcam ads because they're very well targeted toward the site users and are also not very invasive; compare to a hypothetical "PENIS ENLARGEMENT!!!11!" popup, for example.)
This is one tradeoff among several others (read this for more) that I consider when looking through the uploads and picking ones to delete. If I come across a more sexual picture that has lots of positives going for it--a good amount of muscle showing, or a new model without lots of pics on the site--I might lean towards keeping it. If, on the other hand, the picture doesn't show much muscularity and the model already has thousands of pics on the site, as is the case with Cindy, usually I'll lean toward deleting it.
To clear up one point of confusion:
When I say "mediocre" I mean "mediocre" in terms of not passing the aforementioned tradeoff (and others), not just in terms of photographic quality.
The second one, the definitive, was "Getting Physical", the 1984 made-for-tv movie featuring Alexandra Paul and many of that era's best fbbs.
I made a betamax copy of that and kept it dear to my heart for years. The rest is history.
Sometimes there is no muscular hypertrophy at all!
I'm sick of "lift and carry" or martial arts (etc.) here without a remarquable muscularity, it should not be tolerated on this website.
I suggest to give him some thumbs up to show there is interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqwCQXMnqOU
The "after" pic has disappeared from the post - maybe its host doesn't like hotlinking. But a google search would yield plenty of those.
I'm a fan of Randy (Randi?) James but I can't find more picture of movies of her, except those movies:
http://www.herbiceps.com/menu/videoclippics/randyjamesclips.shtml
Do you know if she has another name? Was her career so short? Is she on herbicepscam?
Thank you for every piece of information!
Paul
Nemesis 2 in particular features excellent footage displaying Sue Price's breathtaking physique (see image). Nemesis 4 shows even more, but it's... well, kind of an awkward movie to say the least. Not that the others should have won any Oscar, anyway... but Sue Price is spectacular and for her presence alone these movies are well worth a vision :-)
Linda Hamilton for sure. The second Terminator movie. Obviously not steroid big, but in great shape long before the fitness wave crashed on the beach and it became fashionable.
https://www.bellypunishment.net/download-video-clips-JL-021
If you don't feel like buying the movie, you can still download the sample clip. There used to be a longer clip of this fight on youtube, but I can't find it anymore.
Also, fbb Liang Yue Yun taking some belly punches in this clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGLYaRDiQ4
The latter reminded me of something that is really bothering: why is it that they can't give female bodybuilders better roles than just villaneous cameos who appear for at most 5 minutes? I don't mind seeing them being beaten up, even by skinny girls, but why do the world fear and hate their image so much?
But it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to us. From me admitting my desires we ended up discussing our own sexual preferences in greater detail, and eventually opened up our relationship and started swinging. Sex parties, private orgies and fun with other couples has actually made our relationship stronger and or sex lives amazing. Unfortunately I still haven't experienced a muscular woman, but she's always on the lookout for me, and I've no doubt it'll happen eventually. :)
But would I tell people at work that I love giant biceps, huge thighs, and hard abs on a tough, hot female bodybuilder? Not on your life. :)
Well, you should. Those who do that kind of morphs clearly like the unrealistic overly built looks. Everyone has their own opinion on what perfection is. It doesn't have to be achievable in flesh.
It's a fantasy.
Why do you watch movies not based on true stories, or why do you read novels? Don't you know their stories are made up? So how come you enjoy them?
What I mean is that looking at popular culture you can tell more femine traits are being sought after in guys with the rise of singers like Justin Bieber, Jonas Brothers, and One Directions (Music taste and preference aside these are popular culture.) who are younger, emotional, artistic, and have less masculine features overall facially and in muscle but this is the norm as opposed to the action movie era of the 80's/90's. Now there are exceptions to the norm and woman who will always be in the minority but from my observations this is the way it has gone.
Woman on the other hand are going the other way with it albeit with limitations. Woman are can be more sexually open then once before and have more authority in relationships. There is not a sport in my province that does not have a female equivalent and ones that dont allow woman to play on the same teams are guys, hell I know woman boxers/wrestlers who due to weight classes fight guys and won (Usually using speed over strength). There has been a higher interest in things such as Crossfit and fitness in general and when I go to the gym there are way more woman overall then men although free weights are still male dominated.
Im not an expert but Im just going off my own observations. As men are lucky as we can act more femine then woman can be masculine overall. More woman are seeing being fit and showing some muscle as sexy and more men seem to be accepting of it but I think it has more to do with our societies current focus on health and fitness in this decade and higher fat diets that leads to more naturally muscular woman now then in the past but its a fine line for a woman before being shunned by men for being "too muscular" even at the fitness level.
As each generation passes I think we will actually see a shift in this role more so but not so much that we will see a complete reversal but more of an evening out and that will not be anytime soon but over the coarse of a few generations. Woman who work out now also have better supplements then use to be available to put on size easier but if the trent increases then who is to say each generation of woman wont have an easier time putting on weight/muscle density and if men keep going at their trent we may see a generation of men who have a harder time putting on muscle which seems like it would come sooner then the opposite.
I also heard somewhere that in the Y chromosome that makes a baby male as each generation goes by it is getting smaller. I have heard things disproving and for this so it may play an overall factor but if thats the case it is not something we can help and emasculation is gonna happen but I think even it is a case that the Y chromosome is shrinking Im thinking it caused by our actions rather then on its own but I aint no scientist, just a man who likes woman with big muscles.
Im actually not in favor of this whole role reversal thing as Im just kind of a masculine guy who things a man should be a man but to each their own. I also do not want to say its getting easier for woman to put on muscle to a noticeable degree or not because I dont wish to take anything away from the current generation of female atheletes who worked hard for their results but when I see that 17 year old girl from the UK and Haylee McNeff at 21 and hear they are natural (Which I do not doubt at all.) it makes me think of these things.
Sorry bout the short novel guys but I mum this idea in my head quite a bit haha.
It's really annoying to have pics rejected without knowing the reason and being ignored on the forum :)
That's an excellent conspirousy theory! Wanna draw up plans for a movie about it?:)