Tatiana Maslany is tiny, and I doubt a TV show has the CGI budget to do a convincing digital makeover. It would need to be as good as Scarlet Johanson's cgi body in ghost in the shell.
They could do a couple of things. Nothing we are going to like unfortunately. One is have her only be She Hulk some of the time. Bank on the fact that you have a marketable start and put her in as many scenes as possible as just herself then just break out the CGI a little at a time or even worse save up their money for one big scene in the final episode. Two is completely change the look of the character. Have Tatiana work out some so she has a least a small amount of muscle and have her turn green and she just play the character at the size she is in real life.
They have said that these shows are going to be on par with the movies as far as looks. And going by the Mandalorian (I know that's Star Wars and Not Marvel but its still Disney+ ) I tend to believe them. It's not the budget that worries me so much as Hollywood's general distaste for muscular women. Even if they go full blown CGI I don't think She Hulk is going to be as super muscular as we would like. Hopefully I'm wrong and we get the show of our dreams.
A fetish, as I understand it, is simply an abnormal attraction. Foot fetishes are the most common. Attraction to breasts (within a normal range) is not a fetish. Attraction to muscular women is certainly a fetish. Fetishes are normal.
I like the aesthetic of fit/muscular women, but I can also find conventionally attractive women utterly intoxicating. I don't think a fat woman has ever turned me on (unless she had an amazing voice -- but the spell would be broken the instant I saw her). Sexually, overweigh/non-athletic women are not much different to me than men. Obese people are almost as repulsive as skeletal humans.
Is the attraction to muscular women separate from real life? Almost absolutely. It's rare to see very fit women in the wild, let alone muscular women. It's just something that hardly ever comes up. I am not into domination, worship, wrestling etc, and so I don't often appreciate the comments on pictures about how some lady could easily beat up her friend. Why would she ever want to do that?! I've read some of the erotica stories, which I can tolerate on occasion, but the videos are alternately comical and cringey. I think the "skin deep" analogy describes me well.
This is pretty much the only website I visit to admire women. Not into pornography. I watch a lot of movies, so I see conventinally attractive women there, and in real-life. And that's it. Very vanilla.
Tatiana Maslany was cast as She Hulk. She's not big at all but she's in good shape and she has a lot of control over her physicality in her acting. I think she will be an interesting choice. The thing is, for a streaming show, can they do the same kind of CGI they do in an Avengers movie? I'm not sure how they will handle it.
I remember how much I always worked to get "material"... in the late ninities I tried to record evything I could from TV, shows with hot models, bikini competition, fashion shows, Sport Illustrated calendar photo shoot, Comic shows with barely naked girls.
But, related to the topic, I always remember when in a movie making clip they presented a "body double" of some actress. Instead of showing actress ass, they filmed body double. This female lead was kind of beautiful, but I found her body double to be astonishing. Her body was all worked out, no ripped muscles but perfect definition and skin t one. Like I always discovered that women that worked out was always so hot.
there are some on OF that have pretty reasonable prices. for a cusom of someone i like or a trip to the movies, i can swing that.
i have paid big bux for customs before, but the women i got them from have literally never done it for anyone else and aren't on any of these platforms. for me the uniqueness of the video makes it worth the spend.
by contrast, Emily would have charged me 175$ for a video that would probably have been 98% similar to the ones she made on her own and sold to people willing to buy.
some of them vastly overestimate their appeal and just charge whatever they want. despite not recommending Natasha, for $10....how many of her 1.3 million followers would take a chance for one month? i saw someone had left a 500% tip on a boring photo, for what? if even .5% (generous) of her followers were simps that would wait around on a monthly basis thats 10k people signing up. It's probably more like 500 people but still even that much is 5k a month for basically doing nothing.
I remember being really young, like 7 years old, in a birthday party there was a sort of slideshow short movie, now that I think of it, it was a comic strip but presented as a movie, where some chemist become very strong by a tonic.
Then there was the Incredible Hulk show on the TV, and it always came back with cartoons like Tom & Jerry where characters become super strong because excersice or some tonic, and of course Popeye.
And then there was the infamous Benny Hill episode with the girl that as she got more irritated, her breast got bigger, until it exploded and became she-hulk.
This was like the first part. But I wasnt really into "muscular" girls. I become obsessed with big breast, and I also loved some big breast girls that also have some amazing body, and started to wank to that.
So one of my fantasies was girls busting out of her clothes because of her giant breast. It was just a step to replace tits by muscles.
I seek on TV girls that would appear in hot outfits, mostly regular models with big breast, but also bikini contest, and lingery photo shootings, and all that "wanker" stuff going on TV shows (I video tape every show with girls doing soft strip tease and the like).
But then in a Bicicle repair shop I saw I poster of some model, It could be someone like Rachel McLish, and become secretly obsesed with that picture and the fitness world. Also I the way from school there was a gim with some fitness girl posters, and I would try to stare at them the longer I could when I passed by.
Then I discovered Flex Appeal in ESPN and become really into that kind of girl, like Kiana Tom, fit. I become less of the "pretty models" and more to the fit girls that show their body on TV shows.
Also giant boob girls where a thing for me, like from movies, tV shows, fashion, comics, anime... when internet came, it was all I looked.
And then I stopped looking just for tits but for exercises bodies, and then it was there when I discovered real female bodybuilders, and it was kind of it.
I went from not so big and femenine fitness girls to beast mode girls, and poses like the most muscular pose become my fix.
She's not a FBB, but super muscular in the Tina Turner movie 'What's love got to do with it', Angela Bassett. I was shocked how well developed she there is
Kim Chizevsky- 'The Cell'
Cory Everson- 'Natural Born Killers'
Rachel NcLish- 'Raven Hawk'
Several FBBs in the 'Nemesis' movie series
Many FBB ladies have their own films of them posing/ flexing.
Many other ladies have appeared on tv.
I actually remembered something that slipped my mind before: Police Academy might have been my first indication. I now remember re-winding that 2 seconds a hundred times on VHS. The only movie scene that was more worn that that was Empire Strikes back when Leia chokes Jabba.
But I probably first laid eyes on a woman who was actually muscular in Miami Supercops ( Rhonda Lundstead )
I’d seen muscular women in random magazines when I was very young and thought they were fascinating but I didn’t know why. Then one night when I was 13 or 14 I was watching TV and it was the movie “Skin Deep” (1989) with a scene featuring Raye Hollit stripping and getting into bed with the protagonist. From that moment on, I was hooked.
I remember back when I was 14 or 15 and my class mates were talking who girl in our class was best looking. Most said it was either Jasmine (small and thin girl who had surprisingly big butt stuffed in super tight jeans and usually wore clothes that left her flat belly visible) or Nina (much bigger girl with quite wide hips and easily the biggest boobs in our school). Unfortunately both were real bitches if I would have to describe them with single word. When others asked who I liked best I said Anna who was really athletic and energetic girl. I liked to hang out with her because she had great sense of humor. She was also taller than any boy in our class (only couple of inches, but still). Anna was really athletic and even if she wasn't muscular, she had toned arms and legs and was training for six pack. Other boys immediately rolled their eyes and told me that no real man would like girl who is bigger and stronger that him. After that I usually kept my opinions about fit girls to my own.
I remember this one time when me, Anna and couple other friends were hanging around. Smackdown and wrestling was popular thing at that time and we were talking about it when someone asked who would win, if we were pitted against each other? We didn't want to hurt each other, so we decided to arm wrestle instead. I actually hold quite well against most others, but Anna totally dominated me. At first I managed to hold her steady, but slowly she pinned me down. As that happened she flexed her arm and we saw small, but nicely formed bicep popping out of it. And even if she didn't train her arms too much, it was hard.
But even before that I think I preferred "strong girls" over traditionally attractive girls (big boobs etc). I liked girls in movies and stories who had strong personality, but who also were physically strong. Especially later when I started to watch anime, I usually preferred more athletic or buff girls over others.
When I finally got my own computer and stable Internet connection I was able to explore web freely and discover more material to my liking. Especially erotic and/or romantic literature about muscular girls finally showed me that there are other men and women who prefer more fit girls.
One funny thing that happened recently was when I was hanging with guys (we have Esport team and keep very close contact) and we started to talk about our preference in women. With these guys I could share my preference of fit and strong women and to my surprise guys agreed with me. It turned out that we all like more fit girls, with some meat on them, instead of being really thin or slender. One said that recent crossfit enthusiasm was blessing, because finally girls have courage to build their bodies up instead dieting down.
You bring up the point of the camgirl ads being sexual and how that relates to the content on the site generally not being allowed to be as sexual. The two are related but not exactly in the way that you think.
Based on my experience running the site over the past 11 years, it's much easier to get high quality ads for non-adult sites than it is for adult sites. By "high quality", I mean ads that pay well and also are minimally invasive to the user--for example, a banner rather than a popup. Now, GWM could be considered what I would call "PG-13" (if you're familiar with the American movie rating system) in that it straddles the line between being considered adult content, versus not. As such, I've worked with many ad agencies over the years, some of which were geared specifically toward adult sites, and some of which disallowed adult sites altogether, and it has consistently been my experience that the latter gives higher quality ads than the former.
So in short, the more suggestive pictures I allow of the kind that Cindy frequently outputs, the more the site starts leaning toward the "adult" side of PG-13 and the harder it becomes for me to find high quality ads for the site. If, for example, I were to start allowing full nudity on the site, the chances of working with a non-adult ad network in the future would drop to basically 0. This is also related to why the webcam ads being sexual doesn't matter as much, because if I were to stop doing business with them the ads would be gone and would not factor into what appears on the site when I am looking for ad networks. (Aside from this, I like the webcam ads because they're very well targeted toward the site users and are also not very invasive; compare to a hypothetical "PENIS ENLARGEMENT!!!11!" popup, for example.)
This is one tradeoff among several others (read this for more) that I consider when looking through the uploads and picking ones to delete. If I come across a more sexual picture that has lots of positives going for it--a good amount of muscle showing, or a new model without lots of pics on the site--I might lean towards keeping it. If, on the other hand, the picture doesn't show much muscularity and the model already has thousands of pics on the site, as is the case with Cindy, usually I'll lean toward deleting it.
To clear up one point of confusion:
it's hard to argue any of her photos are mediocre when they're professionally done
When I say "mediocre" I mean "mediocre" in terms of not passing the aforementioned tradeoff (and others), not just in terms of photographic quality.
For me it was a couple things. I was in high school, and my school's gymnastics team trained at the gym and I would just seat and watch the girls perform their exercises. But, there was a special one. She was older than the rest - probably 18 and had the typical pro gymnast physique, short and lean but very muscular. Just watching her doing handstand pushups... did I mention she was quite cute as well? Well, that was my first tantalizing moment. The second one, the definitive, was "Getting Physical", the 1984 made-for-tv movie featuring Alexandra Paul and many of that era's best fbbs. I made a betamax copy of that and kept it dear to my heart for years. The rest is history.
Why irrelevant pictures and movies are tolerated on GWM, I mean showing women and girls without a sufficient muscularity? Sometimes there is no muscular hypertrophy at all! I'm sick of "lift and carry" or martial arts (etc.) here without a remarquable muscularity, it should not be tolerated on this website.
The Austrian filmmaker and director Fussenegger (well, who doesn't know him ;-) ) is currently casting FBBs for a movie. It won't be a documentary, it'll be a fictional story about the life of a FBB. I suggest to give him some thumbs up to show there is interest. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqwCQXMnqOU
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They could do a couple of things. Nothing we are going to like unfortunately. One is have her only be She Hulk some of the time. Bank on the fact that you have a marketable start and put her in as many scenes as possible as just herself then just break out the CGI a little at a time or even worse save up their money for one big scene in the final episode. Two is completely change the look of the character. Have Tatiana work out some so she has a least a small amount of muscle and have her turn green and she just play the character at the size she is in real life.
They have said that these shows are going to be on par with the movies as far as looks. And going by the Mandalorian (I know that's Star Wars and Not Marvel but its still Disney+ ) I tend to believe them. It's not the budget that worries me so much as Hollywood's general distaste for muscular women. Even if they go full blown CGI I don't think She Hulk is going to be as super muscular as we would like. Hopefully I'm wrong and we get the show of our dreams.
A fetish, as I understand it, is simply an abnormal attraction. Foot fetishes are the most common. Attraction to breasts (within a normal range) is not a fetish. Attraction to muscular women is certainly a fetish. Fetishes are normal.
I like the aesthetic of fit/muscular women, but I can also find conventionally attractive women utterly intoxicating. I don't think a fat woman has ever turned me on (unless she had an amazing voice -- but the spell would be broken the instant I saw her). Sexually, overweigh/non-athletic women are not much different to me than men. Obese people are almost as repulsive as skeletal humans.
Is the attraction to muscular women separate from real life? Almost absolutely. It's rare to see very fit women in the wild, let alone muscular women. It's just something that hardly ever comes up. I am not into domination, worship, wrestling etc, and so I don't often appreciate the comments on pictures about how some lady could easily beat up her friend. Why would she ever want to do that?! I've read some of the erotica stories, which I can tolerate on occasion, but the videos are alternately comical and cringey. I think the "skin deep" analogy describes me well.
This is pretty much the only website I visit to admire women. Not into pornography. I watch a lot of movies, so I see conventinally attractive women there, and in real-life. And that's it. Very vanilla.
Tatiana Maslany was cast as She Hulk. She's not big at all but she's in good shape and she has a lot of control over her physicality in her acting. I think she will be an interesting choice. The thing is, for a streaming show, can they do the same kind of CGI they do in an Avengers movie? I'm not sure how they will handle it.
I remember how much I always worked to get "material"... in the late ninities I tried to record evything I could from TV, shows with hot models, bikini competition, fashion shows, Sport Illustrated calendar photo shoot, Comic shows with barely naked girls.
But, related to the topic, I always remember when in a movie making clip they presented a "body double" of some actress. Instead of showing actress ass, they filmed body double. This female lead was kind of beautiful, but I found her body double to be astonishing. Her body was all worked out, no ripped muscles but perfect definition and skin t one. Like I always discovered that women that worked out was always so hot.
Whow would you like to ever be a she hulk, in movies or tv shows?
there are some on OF that have pretty reasonable prices. for a cusom of someone i like or a trip to the movies, i can swing that.
i have paid big bux for customs before, but the women i got them from have literally never done it for anyone else and aren't on any of these platforms. for me the uniqueness of the video makes it worth the spend.
by contrast, Emily would have charged me 175$ for a video that would probably have been 98% similar to the ones she made on her own and sold to people willing to buy.
some of them vastly overestimate their appeal and just charge whatever they want. despite not recommending Natasha, for $10....how many of her 1.3 million followers would take a chance for one month? i saw someone had left a 500% tip on a boring photo, for what? if even .5% (generous) of her followers were simps that would wait around on a monthly basis thats 10k people signing up. It's probably more like 500 people but still even that much is 5k a month for basically doing nothing.
I remember being really young, like 7 years old, in a birthday party there was a sort of slideshow short movie, now that I think of it, it was a comic strip but presented as a movie, where some chemist become very strong by a tonic.
Then there was the Incredible Hulk show on the TV, and it always came back with cartoons like Tom & Jerry where characters become super strong because excersice or some tonic, and of course Popeye.
And then there was the infamous Benny Hill episode with the girl that as she got more irritated, her breast got bigger, until it exploded and became she-hulk.
This was like the first part. But I wasnt really into "muscular" girls. I become obsessed with big breast, and I also loved some big breast girls that also have some amazing body, and started to wank to that.
So one of my fantasies was girls busting out of her clothes because of her giant breast. It was just a step to replace tits by muscles.
I seek on TV girls that would appear in hot outfits, mostly regular models with big breast, but also bikini contest, and lingery photo shootings, and all that "wanker" stuff going on TV shows (I video tape every show with girls doing soft strip tease and the like).
But then in a Bicicle repair shop I saw I poster of some model, It could be someone like Rachel McLish, and become secretly obsesed with that picture and the fitness world. Also I the way from school there was a gim with some fitness girl posters, and I would try to stare at them the longer I could when I passed by.
Then I discovered Flex Appeal in ESPN and become really into that kind of girl, like Kiana Tom, fit. I become less of the "pretty models" and more to the fit girls that show their body on TV shows.
Also giant boob girls where a thing for me, like from movies, tV shows, fashion, comics, anime... when internet came, it was all I looked.
And then I stopped looking just for tits but for exercises bodies, and then it was there when I discovered real female bodybuilders, and it was kind of it.
I went from not so big and femenine fitness girls to beast mode girls, and poses like the most muscular pose become my fix.
She's not a FBB, but super muscular in the Tina Turner movie 'What's love got to do with it', Angela Bassett. I was shocked how well developed she there is
Kim Chizevsky- 'The Cell' Cory Everson- 'Natural Born Killers' Rachel NcLish- 'Raven Hawk' Several FBBs in the 'Nemesis' movie series Many FBB ladies have their own films of them posing/ flexing. Many other ladies have appeared on tv.
I actually remembered something that slipped my mind before: Police Academy might have been my first indication. I now remember re-winding that 2 seconds a hundred times on VHS. The only movie scene that was more worn that that was Empire Strikes back when Leia chokes Jabba.
But I probably first laid eyes on a woman who was actually muscular in Miami Supercops ( Rhonda Lundstead )
I’d seen muscular women in random magazines when I was very young and thought they were fascinating but I didn’t know why. Then one night when I was 13 or 14 I was watching TV and it was the movie “Skin Deep” (1989) with a scene featuring Raye Hollit stripping and getting into bed with the protagonist. From that moment on, I was hooked.
I remember back when I was 14 or 15 and my class mates were talking who girl in our class was best looking. Most said it was either Jasmine (small and thin girl who had surprisingly big butt stuffed in super tight jeans and usually wore clothes that left her flat belly visible) or Nina (much bigger girl with quite wide hips and easily the biggest boobs in our school). Unfortunately both were real bitches if I would have to describe them with single word. When others asked who I liked best I said Anna who was really athletic and energetic girl. I liked to hang out with her because she had great sense of humor. She was also taller than any boy in our class (only couple of inches, but still). Anna was really athletic and even if she wasn't muscular, she had toned arms and legs and was training for six pack. Other boys immediately rolled their eyes and told me that no real man would like girl who is bigger and stronger that him. After that I usually kept my opinions about fit girls to my own.
I remember this one time when me, Anna and couple other friends were hanging around. Smackdown and wrestling was popular thing at that time and we were talking about it when someone asked who would win, if we were pitted against each other? We didn't want to hurt each other, so we decided to arm wrestle instead. I actually hold quite well against most others, but Anna totally dominated me. At first I managed to hold her steady, but slowly she pinned me down. As that happened she flexed her arm and we saw small, but nicely formed bicep popping out of it. And even if she didn't train her arms too much, it was hard.
But even before that I think I preferred "strong girls" over traditionally attractive girls (big boobs etc). I liked girls in movies and stories who had strong personality, but who also were physically strong. Especially later when I started to watch anime, I usually preferred more athletic or buff girls over others.
When I finally got my own computer and stable Internet connection I was able to explore web freely and discover more material to my liking. Especially erotic and/or romantic literature about muscular girls finally showed me that there are other men and women who prefer more fit girls.
One funny thing that happened recently was when I was hanging with guys (we have Esport team and keep very close contact) and we started to talk about our preference in women. With these guys I could share my preference of fit and strong women and to my surprise guys agreed with me. It turned out that we all like more fit girls, with some meat on them, instead of being really thin or slender. One said that recent crossfit enthusiasm was blessing, because finally girls have courage to build their bodies up instead dieting down.
Here is a link, m76:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCo2uqlAi4s
Diamonds Are Forever
Based on my experience running the site over the past 11 years, it's much easier to get high quality ads for non-adult sites than it is for adult sites. By "high quality", I mean ads that pay well and also are minimally invasive to the user--for example, a banner rather than a popup. Now, GWM could be considered what I would call "PG-13" (if you're familiar with the American movie rating system) in that it straddles the line between being considered adult content, versus not. As such, I've worked with many ad agencies over the years, some of which were geared specifically toward adult sites, and some of which disallowed adult sites altogether, and it has consistently been my experience that the latter gives higher quality ads than the former.
So in short, the more suggestive pictures I allow of the kind that Cindy frequently outputs, the more the site starts leaning toward the "adult" side of PG-13 and the harder it becomes for me to find high quality ads for the site. If, for example, I were to start allowing full nudity on the site, the chances of working with a non-adult ad network in the future would drop to basically 0. This is also related to why the webcam ads being sexual doesn't matter as much, because if I were to stop doing business with them the ads would be gone and would not factor into what appears on the site when I am looking for ad networks. (Aside from this, I like the webcam ads because they're very well targeted toward the site users and are also not very invasive; compare to a hypothetical "PENIS ENLARGEMENT!!!11!" popup, for example.)
This is one tradeoff among several others (read this for more) that I consider when looking through the uploads and picking ones to delete. If I come across a more sexual picture that has lots of positives going for it--a good amount of muscle showing, or a new model without lots of pics on the site--I might lean towards keeping it. If, on the other hand, the picture doesn't show much muscularity and the model already has thousands of pics on the site, as is the case with Cindy, usually I'll lean toward deleting it.
To clear up one point of confusion:
When I say "mediocre" I mean "mediocre" in terms of not passing the aforementioned tradeoff (and others), not just in terms of photographic quality.
The second one, the definitive, was "Getting Physical", the 1984 made-for-tv movie featuring Alexandra Paul and many of that era's best fbbs.
I made a betamax copy of that and kept it dear to my heart for years. The rest is history.
Sometimes there is no muscular hypertrophy at all!
I'm sick of "lift and carry" or martial arts (etc.) here without a remarquable muscularity, it should not be tolerated on this website.
I suggest to give him some thumbs up to show there is interest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqwCQXMnqOU
The "after" pic has disappeared from the post - maybe its host doesn't like hotlinking. But a google search would yield plenty of those.
I'm a fan of Randy (Randi?) James but I can't find more picture of movies of her, except those movies:
http://www.herbiceps.com/menu/videoclippics/randyjamesclips.shtml
Do you know if she has another name? Was her career so short? Is she on herbicepscam?
Thank you for every piece of information!
Paul