That could have been true a few years ago, but if you keep up with AI developments, its clear that AI will become ubiquitous, and cheap, and soon. Open AI is open, and is one of the most advanced, for example. It's only a matter of time for even a backwater site like GWM to have sophisticated AI available. And it will help us find exactly what we are searching for. And as @zarklephaser4 pointed out so well, it is shortsighted to add a quality filter at this late stage so close to the AI revolution, without understanding the implications. Those knee jerk responses really are important from a AI building a sense of what photos to prioritise.
The quality filter is old paradigm. It is like taking a gun, pointing at your foot, and shooting.
I'll take a definite improvement now over a slight chance at an improvement in the not-so-near future.
I'm not even sure the existence of the low-effort comments would be helpful to an ML model trained on the comments in some way, or if it would be pure noise, dominated by a relatively small number of users that doesn't generalize at all.
Thank you for those insights! I don't think there is motivation or time for the admins of this site to implement something as sophisticated to tag and sort pics. But if someone could make it work here, this AI-tool surely could be sold for a lot of money. Or does it exist already for small community social media sites like this one?
That could have been true a few years ago, but if you keep up with AI developments, its clear that AI will become ubiquitous, and cheap, and soon. Open AI is open, and is one of the most advanced, for example. It's only a matter of time for even a backwater site like GWM to have sophisticated AI available. And it will help us find exactly what we are searching for. And as @zarklephaser4 pointed out so well, it is shortsighted to add a quality filter at this late stage so close to the AI revolution, without understanding the implications. Those knee jerk responses really are important from a AI building a sense of what photos to prioritise.
The quality filter is old paradigm. It is like taking a gun, pointing at your foot, and shooting.
Thank you for those insights! I don't think there is motivation or time for the admins of this site to implement something as sophisticated to tag and sort pics. But if someone could make it work here, this AI-tool surely could be sold for a lot of money. Or does it exist already for small community social media sites like this one?
This was rejected: This woman is strong. Is that her max?
Looking at your comments, I think this is correct. Also looking at your comments from before and after the filter was implemented, this seems like the filter working as intended.
I have added a quality filter for newly created image comments. If the comment you are posting falls below the quality threshold, you will get an error message when you click the post button. You can then revise your comment if you want to.
I am deliberately not saying how the quality filter works. Depending on your commenting style, you may run into it almost never, or you may run into it for basically every comment you post.
This is only active for image comments, and not for commenting anywhere else on the site.
If you are trying to post a comment and the filter is stopping you, and you are really convinced the filter is wrong, post here with the content of your comment.
This was rejected: This woman is strong. Is that her max?
I've modified it so that all the false positives mentioned earlier in this thread show now pass. If you still experience it blocking a comment that you're sure is worthwhile, please continue to post that here.
From some philosophical, political and religious discussions I have collected through observation a five plus one point method of confounding and manipulating any opponent. This works especially in cult mind control.
First one is to express alarm at what the other person is saying. The point of this is to leave the actual thing unaddressed. The only and final answer will be how surprising or amazing it is that someone could say what you said.
The second one is to exaggerate what the other person is saying, narrow it down or take it to an extreme that clearly was not intended. Then comment on that narrow extreme as if it was what was intended. If the person reasserts his actual, moderate position, just ignore it and state again how such an extreme just can't be.
The third one is to blindly appeal to an authority. Not in the sense of expecting the other person to change his opinion, but in the sense of wanting to be safe and being entitled to trust that authority so much that there is no need to answer any questions or respond to any conflicting opinions. A very upstanding person I know has a different opinion. I'd rather follow him.
The fourth one is to issue dire warnings. If we keep thinking like you do or follow your path, we will all go astray and find ourselves sad, angry, abandoned, extremists, wasting our life, losing all our friends, turning bitter, fighting a losing battle, losing our minds, appearing ridiculous, ruining everyone's erection and so on. I would never want to risk that.
The fifth one is to set an agenda for the other guy. Instead of worrying about such-and-such thing you're better off and will do a lot more good and be a morally upstanding person by worrying about what I tell you now, like this, that and the other thing. You might protest that you were not asking about this, that and the other thing. But rest assured, all the good is done nowadays in this, that and the other and that's where everyone is urgently needed. So be a team player, welcome your new overlords, recycle plastic and whatever.
The bonus technique is to assure that you, the person deflecting the question, are an upstanding, humble, friendly and loyal fellow and wish everyone, including the person you are bamboozling, all the best hugs, kisses, happiness and sunshine.
Someone must suffer. Better yet, someone will suffer. The question is, should it be the person who has to wade through a swamp of endless boings or the person who has bazillion boings to spare and has no place to put them into. A perfectly valid question, always been there and has not shown any sign of going away.
That's very good, but other techniques are available... Whatever our contortions of social interaction to attempt to win an argument, there is a palpable and genuine dissatisfaction with "the bot"! Not that you were, necessarily suggesting there wasn't...
Personally I think this is over-doing it. Reporting disrespectful posts should be more than enough. But people losing sleep over harmless eggplant emojis or boing comments? I mean if this is such a big deal why not just remove image comments all together and save all interaction for the forum?
Because our society doesn't have the ability to do that anymore. There is no more "keep on scrolling". They can't leave well enough alone, they have to "speak to the manager".
It's called immaturity and a belief that the world should revolve around them.
What I want to know is, if you click on +1 for a pic but don't make a comment, are you notified when someone makes a comment on that pic? The reason being that a lot of the pics I comment on, are because I want to see what other users think of that pic. Absolutely nothing to do with bumping a pic onto the front page. More importantly when you have as many favourites as I do, it is easy to forget about some great pics. So when someone comments on a pic I have commented on, it reminds me of a pic I might have forgotten about.
If you want to get a notification when someone comments on a pic, you can subscribe to that pic. No need to +1 or comment on that pic yourself.
What I want to know is, if you click on +1 for a pic but don't make a comment, are you notified when someone makes a comment on that pic? The reason being that a lot of the pics I comment on, are because I want to see what other users think of that pic. Absolutely nothing to do with bumping a pic onto the front page. More importantly when you have as many favourites as I do, it is easy to forget about some great pics. So when someone comments on a pic I have commented on, it reminds me of a pic I might have forgotten about.
Let me clarify. I'm not trying to say that I think the dumb stuff is good, I like intelligent conversation more than most. But I also don't think the dumb stuff is bad. In a way it is just padding and fluff. But leaving it at that is too shallow a view. It is data that is useful and saying something. If people quip 'nice split' well damn, they have just allowed me a way to find posts with split biceps... I thank them. If 20 people make short comments on a post, it's usually because the post if a fantastic image. I want to know about that....
@Julian
Very well said! Completely agree.
@Retroman
Seems pretty simple to me. This is a free site. And it's Chainer's site. He put a lot of work into creating it and he puts a lot of work into maintaining it. So he can do whatever he wants with it. And remember he can completely shut it down if it becomes too much of a problem for him. So the people that can't accept that may just need to find another site. And I don't say that to be rude so I hope nobody is offended...🤔
It's not that easy at all I'm afraid. Chainer gave us the framework, but this site is only so popular because of the community using and shaping it. Currently it's the best free site on the net, which is an amazing achievement. And although Chainer is the single, most important person behind this success, it would have been impossible without the community. You can say this for all social media sites of course, that's why they care about their users, and GWM is caring too.
Not knowing his algorithm, I can just say I am so tired of seeing 1-3 word responses that equate to the same of the +1 click. If this works I'm all for it.
This is what I'm going for with this new filter. Prior to this there were a lot of comments that just amounted to a "+1" on a pic that even a bot could have made. Some of these were probably made to cheaply bump an image to the front page, but even if they weren't, they just didn't add anything to the site in the same way that if I wrote a script that commented "Wow!" on a bunch of pics, it would just be meaningless noise. As far as I can see the script has been working very well to prevent these kinds of comments. Come up with something more interesting to say that pertains to the actual picture in question, or just don't comment.
Regarding the claims of "this is going to kill image commenting", prior to this we were averaging 700-750 comments per day, and now we are around 500, so I doubt this.
As for the false positives that have been mentioned:
This picture is currently named as 'If you know, add' and I tried commenting 'What are the clues?', and my comment didn't meet the threshold.
Your comment has an unfortunate choice of some very common words, which is why the filter got you.
Chainer-
I am trying to simply post this: Image is from Patti's Instagram @pattiannie_ifbbpro
and it's being rejected. Does that not meet the criteria for some reason
Try posting the direct link to her page.
Regarding false positives in general: Unfortunately some small number are unavoidable, but I am open to further tweaking the filter to lower these as much as possible.
It seems it is not the number of words you use, but which words you use. I have made comments with three words and four words which have been accepted. I have only had to amend two comments so far, so it isn't causing me much of a problem.
To quote fellow moderator tamarok from another thread:
Having posted that, I will say that Chainer decided to do this on his own without any moderator input. This may or may not have had intended benefits or detriments because he has been indisposed of for the last several days, and no discussion has taken place.
Sure, these are good points as well. I used to run a couple of very active websites and my basic HTML coding, design, moderating and posting took ages! This is admirable, it's just the method of moderating comments that is a problem. Obviously, there has to be some moderating present as there's always a minority who will cause problems for everyone else.
Seems pretty simple to me. This is a free site. And it's Chainer's site. He put a lot of work into creating it and he puts a lot of work into maintaining it. So he can do whatever he wants with it. And remember he can completely shut it down if it becomes too much of a problem for him. So the people that can't accept that may just need to find another site. And I don't say that to be rude so I hope nobody is offended...🤔
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I'll take a definite improvement now over a slight chance at an improvement in the not-so-near future.
I'm not even sure the existence of the low-effort comments would be helpful to an ML model trained on the comments in some way, or if it would be pure noise, dominated by a relatively small number of users that doesn't generalize at all.
There will be new and more confusing ways to shoot yourself in the foot.
That could have been true a few years ago, but if you keep up with AI developments, its clear that AI will become ubiquitous, and cheap, and soon. Open AI is open, and is one of the most advanced, for example. It's only a matter of time for even a backwater site like GWM to have sophisticated AI available. And it will help us find exactly what we are searching for. And as @zarklephaser4 pointed out so well, it is shortsighted to add a quality filter at this late stage so close to the AI revolution, without understanding the implications. Those knee jerk responses really are important from a AI building a sense of what photos to prioritise.
The quality filter is old paradigm. It is like taking a gun, pointing at your foot, and shooting.
@zarklephaser4
Thank you for those insights! I don't think there is motivation or time for the admins of this site to implement something as sophisticated to tag and sort pics. But if someone could make it work here, this AI-tool surely could be sold for a lot of money. Or does it exist already for small community social media sites like this one?
So someone is saying we should let AI harvest those boings?
Looking at your comments, I think this is correct. Also looking at your comments from before and after the filter was implemented, this seems like the filter working as intended.
Say thanks to to one who endless Spam Pics with his strong and powerful phantasies 😜
This was rejected: This woman is strong. Is that her max?
I've modified it so that all the false positives mentioned earlier in this thread show now pass. If you still experience it blocking a comment that you're sure is worthwhile, please continue to post that here.
That's very good, but other techniques are available... Whatever our contortions of social interaction to attempt to win an argument, there is a palpable and genuine dissatisfaction with "the bot"! Not that you were, necessarily suggesting there wasn't...
The bug that prevented you from editing an existing comment should now be fixed.
The sixth one is to be so incredibly long-winded and meandering that the other person gives up and walks away.
But there is "keep on spamming".
Because our society doesn't have the ability to do that anymore. There is no more "keep on scrolling". They can't leave well enough alone, they have to "speak to the manager".
It's called immaturity and a belief that the world should revolve around them.
Thanks, I never knew that. So many pointless comments 🤣
If you want to get a notification when someone comments on a pic, you can subscribe to that pic. No need to +1 or comment on that pic yourself.
What I want to know is, if you click on +1 for a pic but don't make a comment, are you notified when someone makes a comment on that pic? The reason being that a lot of the pics I comment on, are because I want to see what other users think of that pic. Absolutely nothing to do with bumping a pic onto the front page. More importantly when you have as many favourites as I do, it is easy to forget about some great pics. So when someone comments on a pic I have commented on, it reminds me of a pic I might have forgotten about.
@Julian
Very well said! Completely agree.
@Retroman
It's not that easy at all I'm afraid. Chainer gave us the framework, but this site is only so popular because of the community using and shaping it. Currently it's the best free site on the net, which is an amazing achievement. And although Chainer is the single, most important person behind this success, it would have been impossible without the community. You can say this for all social media sites of course, that's why they care about their users, and GWM is caring too.
This is what I'm going for with this new filter. Prior to this there were a lot of comments that just amounted to a "+1" on a pic that even a bot could have made. Some of these were probably made to cheaply bump an image to the front page, but even if they weren't, they just didn't add anything to the site in the same way that if I wrote a script that commented "Wow!" on a bunch of pics, it would just be meaningless noise. As far as I can see the script has been working very well to prevent these kinds of comments. Come up with something more interesting to say that pertains to the actual picture in question, or just don't comment.
Regarding the claims of "this is going to kill image commenting", prior to this we were averaging 700-750 comments per day, and now we are around 500, so I doubt this.
As for the false positives that have been mentioned:
Your comment has an unfortunate choice of some very common words, which is why the filter got you.
Try posting the direct link to her page.
Regarding false positives in general: Unfortunately some small number are unavoidable, but I am open to further tweaking the filter to lower these as much as possible.
It seems it is not the number of words you use, but which words you use. I have made comments with three words and four words which have been accepted. I have only had to amend two comments so far, so it isn't causing me much of a problem.
Sure, these are good points as well. I used to run a couple of very active websites and my basic HTML coding, design, moderating and posting took ages! This is admirable, it's just the method of moderating comments that is a problem. Obviously, there has to be some moderating present as there's always a minority who will cause problems for everyone else.
Seems pretty simple to me. This is a free site. And it's Chainer's site. He put a lot of work into creating it and he puts a lot of work into maintaining it. So he can do whatever he wants with it. And remember he can completely shut it down if it becomes too much of a problem for him. So the people that can't accept that may just need to find another site. And I don't say that to be rude so I hope nobody is offended...🤔