I'm lost in the thread then. My point is i get what the ultimate fatasy of this movie can represent. However, with hollywood regardless of the sarring actress - a fbb fantasy that even I want isn't going to hing happen.
As for shaming, no not that. I'm the same, want the same movie. The comments get to the to where people seem like they are foaming at the mouth.
This is my last post about this. On the forum too.
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> You quoted two different people, one of whom contradicted the other. Which one are you backing?
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> I'm not sure which was the weirder read - the article? Or this whole thread?
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> Gatsby - How dare a movie studio have the unmitigated gall not to cater to the gentlemen - and women - of GWM?! Unmitigated gall, I say!
On the other hand, why wouldn't they cater to the bodybuilding fans both male and female.
Shaming people isn't an argument.
I'm lost in the thread then. My point is i get what the ultimate fatasy of this movie can represent. However, with hollywood regardless of the sarring actress - a fbb fantasy that even I want isn't going to hing happen.
As for shaming, no not that. I'm the same, want the same movie. The comments get to the to where people seem like they are foaming at the mouth.
This is my last post about this. On the forum too.
I'm not really into the whole "Death of the Author" thing but people are going to fap to what they fap to. I mean, there are lots of movies intended for kids that have adults that fap to their characters. The movie Zootopia comes to mind.
Every movie has an intended audience. However, even a group outside of that intended audience can be its audience...if that makes sense. What I'm trying to say is that this movie (if it's any good) will have LGBT people who are there for that side of it and people who are there for the female muscle. Neither side has to engage with the other unless there's some crossover. The movie doesn't "belong" to any one group or can be "stolen" from the other.
Which is how it should be. This filmmaker decided to write a story. Maybe a deeply personal story that HAPPENS to have a backdrop in female bodybuilding. But I can almost guarantee that won't be the focus of the movie. This is not meant to be a blockbuster hit, it's an indie film. It will fall in the category of LGBTQ stories, so to debase that by saying hey this is about bodybuilding so it needs to accurately reflect MY perspective on that if they want it to be good. Is frankly pretty disrespectful. It's not supposed to be fantasy fap material.
I'm not really into the whole "Death of the Author" thing but people are going to fap to what they fap to. I mean, there are lots of movies intended for kids that have adults that fap to their characters. The movie Zootopia comes to mind.
Every movie has an intended audience. However, even a group outside of that intended audience can be its audience...if that makes sense. What I'm trying to say is that this movie (if it's any good) will have LGBT people who are there for that side of it and people who are there for the female muscle. Neither side has to engage with the other unless there's some crossover. The movie doesn't "belong" to any one group or can be "stolen" from the other.
Which is how it should be. This filmmaker decided to write a story. Maybe a deeply personal story that HAPPENS to have a backdrop in female bodybuilding. But I can almost guarantee that won't be the focus of the movie. This is not meant to be a blockbuster hit, it's an indie film. It will fall in the category of LGBTQ stories, so to debase that by saying hey this is about bodybuilding so it needs to accurately reflect MY perspective on that if they want it to be good. Is frankly pretty disrespectful. It's not supposed to be fantasy fap material.
I think both bodybuilding fans and lesbians are a small demographic so if this movie wants to have mainstream appeal they should not cater to them but they can still put it in some movies.
On the other hand, why wouldn't they cater to the bodybuilding fans both male and female.
Shaming people isn't an argument.
Its a self fulfilling prohpecy. The fan commnuity keeps its heads down, and thats why they get ignored, which then feeds the theory that the movie industry does not have an interest anyway.
The LGBT community in its extreme form as it is celebrated at the moment (genderfluid, switcher whatever) is probably much smaller, but they scream so loud that the movie industry gives them what they want. They wouldnt even dare otherwise. And because its on the screen, the uncritical majority accepts it which feeds into the basic approach of the community: we are important.
Self fulfilling prophecy. However you like to have it.
What?! Ragnarok was the best of the three Thor movies and one of the better Marvel movies overall.
It is the best in the series, certainly. But I don't have it in my top 5: 1. Infinity War 2. Spiderman No Way Home 3. Iron Man 4. Spiderman 2 (2004) 5. Endgame
It has less to do with the "top brass" and more to do with an A list actress like Natalie Portman having no desire whatsoever to get ripped. There have been far, far more muscular actresses in major Hollywood movies throughout the 90s, 00s and 10s. Linda Hamilton, Emily Blunt, Alicia Vikander, etc. Hell, Natalie herself looked better in Black Swan than she does here, but there's a big difference between what you might be willing to do for Darren Aronofsky vs some Marvel garbage.
Are you serious? She looks much stronger than them.
The only thing that gives me a little hope that things might change a bit in Hollywood is Disney somehow letting the Luisa character in Encanto be not only physically strong, but actually BIG and MUSCULAR. Even though it's just a cartoon, that's a pretty major paradigm shift for a major top tier studio.
Thing is, studios like Disney are getting a hard time from activists for body positivity and body diversity. Now what those activists mean is "put more fat chicks in your movies", especially in positive, protagonist, get-the-hot-guy roles. So the studio agrees, but makes the body-diverse girl muscular instead of fat because a muscular girl is seen as more capable, more appealing, and more ablento get the hot guy.
Seriously, some of y'all have got to stop complaining about how the women in these superhero movies aren't "big enough." If the top brass in Hollywood don't want it, it won't happen. Period.
It has less to do with the "top brass" and more to do with an A list actress like Natalie Portman having no desire whatsoever to get ripped. There have been far, far more muscular actresses in major Hollywood movies throughout the 90s, 00s and 10s. Linda Hamilton, Emily Blunt, Alicia Vikander, etc. Hell, Natalie herself looked better in Black Swan than she does here, but there's a big difference between what you might be willing to do for Darren Aronofsky vs some Marvel garbage.
Mjolnir had to go too, though, otherwise Thor would not be brandishing Stormbreaker in this movie. It's an artifact missing from an alternate timeline that could cause problems. At least the way THEY wrote it, the timestream at the time was only one entity with no extended branches, so if he was missing Mjolnir in the past that would have been an issue (circa Thor 2)
Seriously, some of y'all have got to stop complaining about how the women in these superhero movies aren't "big enough." If the top brass in Hollywood don't want it, it won't happen. Period.
That's a fact.
The same thing happened with She Hulk. No surprise there either. Tatiana Maslany is a superb actress though and so is Natalie Portman, but muscular and big, they are not.
The only thing that gives me a little hope that things might change a bit in Hollywood is Disney somehow letting the Luisa character in Encanto be not only physically strong, but actually BIG and MUSCULAR. Even though it's just a cartoon, that's a pretty major paradigm shift for a major top tier studio.
I think it's more significant than most of us even realize. They just made it "OK" for a female to be BIG, MUSCULAR and STRONG in the eyes of billions of people. Some good is going to come of that for sure. Wait and see.
With all the female superheroes in prior movies (Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman), I cant see them deciding to CGI just for Lady Thor. The definition is probably altered, the size is possibly legit.
Best case: she gets called out for it, and her and others try harder moving forward.
Seriously, some of y'all have got to stop complaining about how the women in these superhero movies aren't "big enough." If the top brass in Hollywood don't want it, it won't happen. Period.
Just legit curious, do you get off on saying and or typing the word period? I'm not joking. Do you really think that ending an argument with "Period." does something that makes everyone else shudder in fear and finally admit defeat in the face of unfathomable odds? Again, I'm not joking, I'm seriously wanting to understand.
Some of you need to turn off the schmoe part of your brain and recognize that there are going to be many people who want to watch this who aren’t schmoes. Not everything that involves a female bodybuilder needs to be catered to you 🤦♂️
Wrong approach, its about credibility and not about feeding mainstream. A movie about female bodybuilding is not the same like an action heroe movie. Nobody buys a toned down gal gadot as a female bodybuilder, at best it could kick off a discussion about what its really like to be a bodybuilder.
And it would not even be something new .... raye hollit had a few roles when she was bulked, and yes ... she could act.
Seriously, some of y'all have got to stop complaining about how the women in these superhero movies aren't "big enough." If the top brass in Hollywood don't want it, it won't happen. Period.
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I'm lost in the thread then. My point is i get what the ultimate fatasy of this movie can represent. However, with hollywood regardless of the sarring actress - a fbb fantasy that even I want isn't going to hing happen.
As for shaming, no not that. I'm the same, want the same movie. The comments get to the to where people seem like they are foaming at the mouth.
This is my last post about this. On the forum too.
Yeah, but those people are disgusting.
I'm not really into the whole "Death of the Author" thing but people are going to fap to what they fap to. I mean, there are lots of movies intended for kids that have adults that fap to their characters. The movie Zootopia comes to mind.
Every movie has an intended audience. However, even a group outside of that intended audience can be its audience...if that makes sense. What I'm trying to say is that this movie (if it's any good) will have LGBT people who are there for that side of it and people who are there for the female muscle. Neither side has to engage with the other unless there's some crossover. The movie doesn't "belong" to any one group or can be "stolen" from the other.
Which is how it should be. This filmmaker decided to write a story. Maybe a deeply personal story that HAPPENS to have a backdrop in female bodybuilding. But I can almost guarantee that won't be the focus of the movie. This is not meant to be a blockbuster hit, it's an indie film. It will fall in the category of LGBTQ stories, so to debase that by saying hey this is about bodybuilding so it needs to accurately reflect MY perspective on that if they want it to be good. Is frankly pretty disrespectful. It's not supposed to be fantasy fap material.
No one's taking anything from anyone.
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I think both bodybuilding fans and lesbians are a small demographic so if this movie wants to have mainstream appeal they should not cater to them but they can still put it in some movies.
Why WOULD they? The story (the main part of a movie) is written for lesbian audiences, not schmoes. Kind of rude to take that from them.
Its a self fulfilling prohpecy. The fan commnuity keeps its heads down, and thats why they get ignored, which then feeds the theory that the movie industry does not have an interest anyway.
The LGBT community in its extreme form as it is celebrated at the moment (genderfluid, switcher whatever) is probably much smaller, but they scream so loud that the movie industry gives them what they want. They wouldnt even dare otherwise. And because its on the screen, the uncritical majority accepts it which feeds into the basic approach of the community: we are important.
Self fulfilling prophecy. However you like to have it.
On the other hand, why wouldn't they cater to the bodybuilding fans both male and female.
Shaming people isn't an argument.
You quoted two different people, one of whom contradicted the other. Which one are you backing?
I'm not sure which was the weirder read - the article? Or this whole thread?
Gatsby - How dare a movie studio have the unmitigated gall not to cater to the gentlemen - and women - of GWM?! Unmitigated gall, I say!
It is the best in the series, certainly. But I don't have it in my top 5: 1. Infinity War 2. Spiderman No Way Home 3. Iron Man 4. Spiderman 2 (2004) 5. Endgame
Are you serious? She looks much stronger than them.
Thing is, studios like Disney are getting a hard time from activists for body positivity and body diversity. Now what those activists mean is "put more fat chicks in your movies", especially in positive, protagonist, get-the-hot-guy roles. So the studio agrees, but makes the body-diverse girl muscular instead of fat because a muscular girl is seen as more capable, more appealing, and more ablento get the hot guy.
What?! Ragnarok was the best of the three Thor movies and one of the better Marvel movies overall.
It has less to do with the "top brass" and more to do with an A list actress like Natalie Portman having no desire whatsoever to get ripped. There have been far, far more muscular actresses in major Hollywood movies throughout the 90s, 00s and 10s. Linda Hamilton, Emily Blunt, Alicia Vikander, etc. Hell, Natalie herself looked better in Black Swan than she does here, but there's a big difference between what you might be willing to do for Darren Aronofsky vs some Marvel garbage.
Mjolnir had to go too, though, otherwise Thor would not be brandishing Stormbreaker in this movie. It's an artifact missing from an alternate timeline that could cause problems. At least the way THEY wrote it, the timestream at the time was only one entity with no extended branches, so if he was missing Mjolnir in the past that would have been an issue (circa Thor 2)
That's a fact.
The same thing happened with She Hulk. No surprise there either. Tatiana Maslany is a superb actress though and so is Natalie Portman, but muscular and big, they are not.
The only thing that gives me a little hope that things might change a bit in Hollywood is Disney somehow letting the Luisa character in Encanto be not only physically strong, but actually BIG and MUSCULAR. Even though it's just a cartoon, that's a pretty major paradigm shift for a major top tier studio.
I think it's more significant than most of us even realize. They just made it "OK" for a female to be BIG, MUSCULAR and STRONG in the eyes of billions of people. Some good is going to come of that for sure. Wait and see.
With all the female superheroes in prior movies (Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman), I cant see them deciding to CGI just for Lady Thor. The definition is probably altered, the size is possibly legit.
Best case: she gets called out for it, and her and others try harder moving forward.
Just legit curious, do you get off on saying and or typing the word period? I'm not joking. Do you really think that ending an argument with "Period." does something that makes everyone else shudder in fear and finally admit defeat in the face of unfathomable odds? Again, I'm not joking, I'm seriously wanting to understand.
Wrong approach, its about credibility and not about feeding mainstream. A movie about female bodybuilding is not the same like an action heroe movie. Nobody buys a toned down gal gadot as a female bodybuilder, at best it could kick off a discussion about what its really like to be a bodybuilder.
And it would not even be something new .... raye hollit had a few roles when she was bulked, and yes ... she could act.
Oh, I remember her from one old movie with Don Dragon Willson. Shame that she passed away :(
Seriously, some of y'all have got to stop complaining about how the women in these superhero movies aren't "big enough." If the top brass in Hollywood don't want it, it won't happen. Period.