I'm actually planning on taking an Ambien and going to bed early LMAO.
As an American, I'm psychologically drained by this election and we aren't going to know the winner on Tuesday night anyway. I can live without the drama of election night. We probably won't know who won for a least a couple of days.
There is so much more at stake here than most people realize, it's low-key terrifying honestly. I am not a dramatic person at all. I'm not prone to hyperbole when it comes to serious matters like this. But the results of this election are going to have powerful, reverberating effects throughout the world.
It will affect Americans and many others due to potential policy changes and economic moves, but it's more than just that. If Trump wins this, it will prove to the world that his style of campaigning, speaking about issues wins elections. This will encourage even more candidates in local and state elections in the U.S. to follow that model and embrace populism and demagoguery. Worse, I think it will encourage it in other countries, especially in Europe.
Major periods of global conflict tend to come in 80-100 year cycles. As the last few people who were alive to witness the last one die off, humanity seems to get collective amnesia and we repeat the same old mistakes yet again.
We are teetering right on the precipice of just such a time. The last of the people who remember WW2 are dying off. Europe is in the midst of a migrant crisis and economic stress and the popularity of "strongmen" and authoritarian right wing rule is creeping every forward.
What's even worse is now we've got the damn Internet and the enemies of peace in Russia, Iran and North Korea are using it masterfully to stir up resentment and discord in America and elsewhere. Chaos is precisely what our enemies want. Chaos and a weak and distracted America and NATO work entirely to the benefit of the enemies of democracy.
Electing the "right" person in America won't stop all of that, but it would be a reason to have just a little more hope.
I hope I'm wrong guys, but I think if this thing goes the MAGA route, it is not going to end well for America or the world. No, the world won't end tomorrow. But we will be squirting lighter fluid on the fire and making it far less likely that future leaders will be able to get this thing back in the box before shit gets really bad.
I don't think America or Europe has the kind of moral fiber and unity it did during WW2. I don't think the current generations are made of the same stuff to be honest. At least for Americans I can speak, we're too busy trying to gain clout on TikTok and Instagram to sacrifice for the war effort. Can you see American's today buying war bonds or accepting rationing? Growing "victory gardens"? I sure can't.
The next major period of world conflict, if an when it comes, is going to be a whole new kind of awful that few of us can imagine, much less prepare for.
If you're an American and you haven't voted yet and you're even a little uncertain about your choice. Please give all of that some thought.
Play through the realistic "worst case scenario" with each candidate---based on things they've actually done and said, not what some slanted media site is TELLING out they will do.
Bring your conscience and your heart into that voting booth with you please. There is more at stake in this election than in any you've voted in before. That's a fact. And it's not just about the U.S. The choice you make is going to affect most of the free world directly or indirectly. Use your head, please.
Very well put.
And for the people wondering what Kamala is running on....
She plans to try and fight inflation and interest rates to help our money go further.
Significantly increase corporate taxes. Avoid increasing taxes on Americans making less than $400k. And increase tax credits for new parents.
Go and watch the Joe Rogan and Elon Musk interview that dropped 6 hours ago. At the 1:11:00 mark, they discuss why Kamala and the democratic elite are actually the largest threat to democracy. The way Elon and Joe describe the political state, it completely summarizes what I had felt inside and what I had been telling close friends.
a lot of men on this site want to be ruled over by a strong woman with an iron fist they would vote for a female version of Donald trump if that was an option
For the Americans that haven't voted yet, you do know that there are more than two choices, don't you? If even half of the people that vote (generally around 40-60% of registered voters actually vote) "throw your vote away" on a Libertarian, Green, or other party candidate, that will be a huge wakeup call.
Also, someone above said that they voted "against" someone. That's a terrible mistake. Vote FOR someone, not against someone else.
Yeah, my art skills are nil, so I make stuff with AI instead, which is a big part of the problem, according to some of you.
[hillbilly accent] Accordin' to some o' ewe.
In all seriousness, it's not a problem as long as you don't demand the same honor as one who did it all by hand. If what you produce with all those prompts is masterful, you deserve credit for creative oversight. But, you don't deserve credit for craftsmanship. Vision and creative oversight are worthy skills, but they are not the same as craftsmanship.
Well, Trump caused inflation with his tariffs (first time as Pres) and he's promised to do tariffs again but worse still...everyone on this planet is going to go bankrupt. Inflation Cause 101: Tariffs.
The tariffs didn't help matters, but he mainly caused it with his debt. He ran a higher deficit than Obama even before Covid hit. He ran the country the same way he runs his businesses.
Whatever happens the world will still keep spinning and our life problems will continue, and our jobs will need us there. The sun will rise and set and all that jazz. I don't believe either candidate is truly good and I've accepted either outcome. It is what it is. People get sick and throw up when the announcement is made who won....for what? Life continues.
You're right Czach...the World will keep spinning. But, unless you work in a stone quarry that only sells stone locally, a sudden Tariff War could easily close the place you are working at now. Inflation will rise everywhere so high that you would be hard-pressed to afford a cabbage to live on for a week or longer. And all because of 1 person and the crowd of yes-sayers around him.
I know a lot of people who are preparing for the worst. Stocking up on food, ammo, etc. So for those watching around the world, the election is just the beginning. Post-election is when things are going to get very interesting (especially if Trump loses).
Personally, I don't care who wins. They're both awful candidates. However, I will say that I am a life-long republican and casted my first (and hopefully last) vote ever for a Democrat earlier today.
I voted Kamala for three primary reasons.
Trump is a fraud. He's not a true republican nor conservative. On several occasions he has threatened gun rights, he is fiscally liberal, and he favors big gov. That's not what the republican party is supposed to be about.
Given the above, he's not worth the volatility. America is better when the president isn't trying to stir shit and be seen every fucking day.
The Trump campaign was overly obsessed with race and identity politics.
To end, a question: do you think making voting compulsory would change anything?
i am from a country were we do that and no it wont it just causes people who don't care or don't know who the candidates are to vote for people because they look funny. but the us had a 2 party system here we get to choose between many parties some good some crazy ones .but they just end up fusing into a coalition so it feels more like a 2.5 party state
Don't hold your breath everyone. The winner might not be known for weeks and we could be lucky to know by January. It could be like Florida in 2000, except this time with legal challenges and recounts in 3-7 states. It could be that close, and both sides are probably going to try to cheat, so the courts will probably have to get involved.
I strongly dislike both parties, so I have no dog in this fight.
Whatever happens the world will still keep spinning and our life problems will continue, and our jobs will need us there. The sun will rise and set and all that jazz. I don't believe either candidate is truly good and I've accepted either outcome. It is what it is. People get sick and throw up when the announcement is made who won....for what? Life continues.
Ftr, I do not support the crazy left either but I am perfectly capable of choosing the lesser of two evils.
Methinks the problem is all those who aren't what one would deem perfectly capable...
I'm an Aussie, so not directly involved in US politics, but this election has worldwide stakes. As someone from abroad - a country that has long been an ally - I'm desperately hoping that the Dems get back in. The thought of the completely unhinged orange thing getting back into power is genuinely terrifying on the world stage. I fear that international relations will never be the same again if the US voting system somehow puts Trump back in.
In Oz, we almost always -- check that, always -- have the issue of choosing the lesser of two evils when it comes to election time, be it local, state or federal. However, it's so incredibly rare that one such option is so clearly more of a monster than the other. From a distance, it looks like that's the case in the US in this election, as it has been for the last couple as well. This one just feels more scary...
To all Americans on here, I wish you well!
To end, a question: do you think making voting compulsory would change anything?
I don't think the US survives another 4 years of Trump. Last time he had people that stood up to him. This time he is surrounded by enablers.
All through the campaign he has tested the limits on what he can get away with by saying the most ridiculous things.
Ftr, I do not support the crazy left either but I am perfectly capable of choosing the lesser of two evils.
You aren't the only person to feel that way Gatsby. Any normal person would be aghast at even the thought of a convicted felon, wannabe fascist and rapist winning the presidency. The World is watching and getting ready for possible crazy person and insane crew to maybe win. If that happens, goodbye job, apartment, savings, freedom and a whole lot more.
Everything norbertwinston said is exactly how I feel.
I am honestly fucking exhausted and I almost feel numb. I am tired of the ads, tired of the junk mail and banners, tired of bullshit on social media and tired of seeing people act awful. It's hard for not to feel depressed to be honest, and I have been struggling hard with my mood and having the energy to do things these past couple weeks.
Well, Trump caused inflation with his tariffs (first time as Pres) and he's promised to do tariffs again but worse still...everyone on this planet is going to go bankrupt. Inflation Cause 101: Tariffs.
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Very well put.
And for the people wondering what Kamala is running on....
to name a few things
Go and watch the Joe Rogan and Elon Musk interview that dropped 6 hours ago. At the 1:11:00 mark, they discuss why Kamala and the democratic elite are actually the largest threat to democracy. The way Elon and Joe describe the political state, it completely summarizes what I had felt inside and what I had been telling close friends.
https://youtu.be/7qZl_5xHoBw?feature=shared
It’s pretty crazy what they say about the immigration problem
a lot of men on this site want to be ruled over by a strong woman with an iron fist they would vote for a female version of Donald trump if that was an option
She’s running on Trump hate. Seems to be lots on her bandwagon here due the the progressive nature of this site.
For the Americans that haven't voted yet, you do know that there are more than two choices, don't you? If even half of the people that vote (generally around 40-60% of registered voters actually vote) "throw your vote away" on a Libertarian, Green, or other party candidate, that will be a huge wakeup call.
Also, someone above said that they voted "against" someone. That's a terrible mistake. Vote FOR someone, not against someone else.
Can anyone speak to what Kamala is running on? Because she sure can’t.
https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/forum/thread/...
[hillbilly accent] Accordin' to some o' ewe.
In all seriousness, it's not a problem as long as you don't demand the same honor as one who did it all by hand. If what you produce with all those prompts is masterful, you deserve credit for creative oversight. But, you don't deserve credit for craftsmanship. Vision and creative oversight are worthy skills, but they are not the same as craftsmanship.
Well, this conversation turned out to be a drag. Am I the only one here who drinks this stuff? Or drinks at all, for that matter?
The tariffs didn't help matters, but he mainly caused it with his debt. He ran a higher deficit than Obama even before Covid hit. He ran the country the same way he runs his businesses.
You're right Czach...the World will keep spinning. But, unless you work in a stone quarry that only sells stone locally, a sudden Tariff War could easily close the place you are working at now. Inflation will rise everywhere so high that you would be hard-pressed to afford a cabbage to live on for a week or longer. And all because of 1 person and the crowd of yes-sayers around him.
I know a lot of people who are preparing for the worst. Stocking up on food, ammo, etc. So for those watching around the world, the election is just the beginning. Post-election is when things are going to get very interesting (especially if Trump loses).
Personally, I don't care who wins. They're both awful candidates. However, I will say that I am a life-long republican and casted my first (and hopefully last) vote ever for a Democrat earlier today.
I voted Kamala for three primary reasons.
i am from a country were we do that and no it wont it just causes people who don't care or don't know who the candidates are to vote for people because they look funny. but the us had a 2 party system here we get to choose between many parties some good some crazy ones .but they just end up fusing into a coalition so it feels more like a 2.5 party state
Don't hold your breath everyone. The winner might not be known for weeks and we could be lucky to know by January. It could be like Florida in 2000, except this time with legal challenges and recounts in 3-7 states. It could be that close, and both sides are probably going to try to cheat, so the courts will probably have to get involved.
I strongly dislike both parties, so I have no dog in this fight.
Whatever happens the world will still keep spinning and our life problems will continue, and our jobs will need us there. The sun will rise and set and all that jazz. I don't believe either candidate is truly good and I've accepted either outcome. It is what it is. People get sick and throw up when the announcement is made who won....for what? Life continues.
Methinks the problem is all those who aren't what one would deem perfectly capable...
I'm an Aussie, so not directly involved in US politics, but this election has worldwide stakes. As someone from abroad - a country that has long been an ally - I'm desperately hoping that the Dems get back in. The thought of the completely unhinged orange thing getting back into power is genuinely terrifying on the world stage. I fear that international relations will never be the same again if the US voting system somehow puts Trump back in.
In Oz, we almost always -- check that, always -- have the issue of choosing the lesser of two evils when it comes to election time, be it local, state or federal. However, it's so incredibly rare that one such option is so clearly more of a monster than the other. From a distance, it looks like that's the case in the US in this election, as it has been for the last couple as well. This one just feels more scary...
To all Americans on here, I wish you well!
To end, a question: do you think making voting compulsory would change anything?
I don't think the US survives another 4 years of Trump. Last time he had people that stood up to him. This time he is surrounded by enablers. All through the campaign he has tested the limits on what he can get away with by saying the most ridiculous things. Ftr, I do not support the crazy left either but I am perfectly capable of choosing the lesser of two evils.
I certainly hope so. Anyways, not being American I wish everyone in the USA peace and happiness no matter what happens.
Norbert, I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Nuts out for peanuts
You aren't the only person to feel that way Gatsby. Any normal person would be aghast at even the thought of a convicted felon, wannabe fascist and rapist winning the presidency. The World is watching and getting ready for possible crazy person and insane crew to maybe win. If that happens, goodbye job, apartment, savings, freedom and a whole lot more.
Everything norbertwinston said is exactly how I feel.
I am honestly fucking exhausted and I almost feel numb. I am tired of the ads, tired of the junk mail and banners, tired of bullshit on social media and tired of seeing people act awful. It's hard for not to feel depressed to be honest, and I have been struggling hard with my mood and having the energy to do things these past couple weeks.
Well, Trump caused inflation with his tariffs (first time as Pres) and he's promised to do tariffs again but worse still...everyone on this planet is going to go bankrupt. Inflation Cause 101: Tariffs.