Until we hear what happened to An, you're making assumptions with no facts. Stop disrespecting her and the bodybuilding profession until we know if she's even in the hospital and for what. Otherwise, you're all gossiping like school children.
This is an awful take.
There's nothing disrespectful about pointing out the obvious - her profession is unhealthy. That's okay, lots of people make the conscious decision to do unhealthy things because they enjoy them. That's her choice and I respect it, but facts are facts. Steroids are awful for your heart and she, according to her own words, suffered a heart attack. It is what it is.
PS. Bodybuilding, as a profession, deserves no respect. That line alone suggests that your primary concern is about the perception of the sport rather than her health.
IFBB is trying to stop FBB turning into a freak show that no promoter wants to have at his shows and no one wants to watch. By forcing the winner go softer they are sending a message to the other competitors to tone it down. Same thing happened at the wellness division, all muscular competitors got penalized and same story at bikini. 1st place had a less developed physique than the top 5.
They don't care about drugs, they care about marketability.
Isn't Nataliya Korableva a wings of strength ambassador? How can they be promoting softer when she is as big as they come?
I am neither pro or anti vaccine but I did take the first 2 shots as recommended by my doctor. 1st one felt fine however after taking the 2nd one I started getting tight chest pain, I remember being at home and getting random/rapid heart palpitations. I am a young healthy guy under 30, never had these issues before and I am convinced it was because of the vaccines. Haven't taken another vaccine since and don't plan to in the future.
I get the other classes but WBB is never going to marketable. It’s a niche within a niche. I’m inclined to believe it’s less about marketability and more about covering their asses and not requiring insane size and conditioning to win anymore to reduce chances of bad publicity from women kicking it.
The women in the larger classes have been coming in better conditioned than a lot of men in recent years, and I’m sure it has a toll. But no way that we can even talk about bikini/wellness and wbb in the same sentence in terms of audience appeal.
I wonder if the “changes” had anything to do with asking Shaw to downsize a bit this year.
Or maybe not. It could be related to steroids but no one has stopped (that I’ve heard) Michaela from growing like a weed even from last year
IFBB is trying to stop FBB turning into a freak show that no promoter wants to have at his shows and no one wants to watch. By forcing the winner go softer they are sending a message to the other competitors to tone it down. Same thing happened at the wellness division, all muscular competitors got penalized and same story at bikini. 1st place had a less developed physique than the top 5.
They don't care about drugs, they care about marketability.
I wish her a speedy recovery. If the information is correct and she did have a heart attack that is a career ending event. There are different kinds of heart attacks but any of them will put a final stop to her competitive bodybuilding.
A healthy young athletic woman with no prior pathology getting a heart attack is a very very slim probability, one in the millions.
She did compete at the Olympia a couple of days ago which means peak week and peak stress to her body, dehydration, extreme diet, drugs, bad sleep. She is obviously mRNA vaccinated multiple times or she would not been able to travel to US. And she has obliviously used PEDs for many years prior. Add to that international travel back and forth between continents in a short time frame.
Other people put their bodies to the same stress and do fine but some are just "unlucky", no one knows where their luck ends and this lifestyle has nothing to do with longevity.
I wish An the very best and has a speedy recovery. My mistake was not not include this in my initial comment about this matter. May she fulfill all her goals in the future.
Sorry if I came across aggressive, that wasn't my intention. I naturally agree with you about the speculations and the well-wishing. I should have refrained from adding the last sentence in retrospect.
You're fine. I hope people don't see my comments as aggressive, either. They aren't intended that way.
Sorry if I came across aggressive, that wasn't my intention. I naturally agree with you about the speculations and the well-wishing. I should have refrained from adding the last sentence in retrospect.
To be fair to Sigma592, 'heart attack' is the term used by An when posting her update. Not to stir further controversy but I suspect that was what she was told by the medical staff to describe what she had been throught.
Didn't mean to seem like I was attacking Sigma. I just think we should be wishing her well right now and waiting until we know more to speculate as to what happened.
I'm not mad or even a little upset. I'm fine. Perhaps the cynical speculating above is accurate, but we don't know that. Think about if she was your loved one and strangers started publicly speculating about the nefariousness of her passion (bodybuilding) and assuming that that's why she's in the hospital, if she indeed is even in the hospital. We don't know anything and speculating with gossip is disrespectful.
Edit: You know what comes up when you google An's name with "heart attack" or "hospital?" This thread. That's it. I need to see more proof before I even believe she's hospitalized, let alone know the cause of it.
To be fair to Sigma592, 'heart attack' is the term used by An when posting her update. Not to stir further controversy but I suspect that was what she was told by the medical staff to describe what she had been throught.
No disrespect to An! We're all entitled to our opinions. I am trying to be fair and did not assume anything about An's case or others. Chill out.
I'm not mad or even a little upset. I'm fine. Perhaps the cynical speculating above is accurate, but we don't know that. Think about if she was your loved one and strangers started publicly speculating about the nefariousness of her passion (bodybuilding) and assuming that that's why she's in the hospital, if she indeed is even in the hospital. We don't know anything and speculating with gossip is disrespectful.
Edit: You know what comes up when you google An's name with "heart attack" or "hospital?" This thread. That's it. I need to see more proof before I even believe she's hospitalized, let alone know the cause of it.
Until we hear what happened to An, you're making assumptions with no facts. Stop disrespecting her and the bodybuilding profession until we know if she's even in the hospital and for what. Otherwise, you're all gossiping like school children.
No disrespect to An! We're all entitled to our opinions. I am trying to be fair and did not assume anything about An's case or others. Chill out.
Until there is a medical study done, we'll never know for sure. The perception is fairly accurate but the doubt lies in that we'll never know what drugs or enhancers are being used and in what doses, which types that will cause more harm, etc. There is a common denominator amongst the IFBB pros and the up and comers and maybe that's what we can agree on.
Until we hear what happened to An, you're making assumptions with no facts. Stop disrespecting her and the bodybuilding profession until we know if she's even in the hospital and for what. Otherwise, you're all gossiping like school children.
A few months ago, in response to an FBB dying (I dont remember who), I saw some IFBB bigwigs or something like that saying some of the bodybuilding or female bodybuilding rules or requirements would be changed. Have there been any updates on that? Have the rules and requirements been changed?
Or am I misremembering and nobody said anything like that?
> I don't know anything about these girls politics, and that's not why I am here to look at pictures and videos girls. I am surprised that so many of you do. And I think it is lazy to blame "the patriarchy" as the reason independent minded women decide to improve themselves. That being said...I dislike Female Bodybuilders who espouse leftist views. I can't think of one in particular, but one has to exist.
LOL when you find a leftist Female Bodybuilder can you PLEASE send her my way. We're all trying to find her!!!
IIRC, Pam Hannam used to be a Berner (Bernie Sanders supporter) back then... Not sure what she is now but this quite fitted her personality.
This is no one in particular but social media has destroyed expectations for most people. The ones pushed the top are either elite athletes, on gear, or both.
I see and hear of many people upset that they can only bench x weight for x reps and it’s not like repping 2 plates (women) or 3 (men)— well I mean such a low percentage of lifters can actually do that. You just see all of them because they are pushed by the algorithm and/or are popular posts. However I do see more people encouraging others who don’t have big lifts but are working (hunter Henderson has been great at this) vs those who are on gear and aren’t honest about it if asks. Hoping the liver king nonsense helps open some eyeballs
That's a good point which has been raised several times in the powerlifting community. You get too immersed in social media, including countless YT videos - as you said, pushed by algorithms - of the likes of John Haack, Jamal Browner, etc. who function at aonther level. It is a double-edged sword: on one hand, it has the potential to fuel your motivation and by extension your 'gains'; on the other hand, they lift impossible, surreal numbers so you start asking yourself 'why bother' ? The worst cases are these TikTok teenaged chaps who are starting deadlifting over 600,700 pounds for breakfast and whose endeavours are getting more and more views, for the 'clout'. I can imagine the frustrations of many young guys coping with an inferiority complex vis-a-vis what they see on a daily basis.
You're right: benching 3 plates shouldn't be a source of shame, but of praises; I would go as far as saying benching 2 plates is really commendable !
Lots of judgment and assumptions here with no facts
Until there is a medical study done, we'll never know for sure. The perception is fairly accurate but the doubt lies in that we'll never know what drugs or enhancers are being used and in what doses, which types that will cause more harm, etc. There is a common denominator amongst the IFBB pros and the up and comers and maybe that's what we can agree on.
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This is an awful take.
There's nothing disrespectful about pointing out the obvious - her profession is unhealthy. That's okay, lots of people make the conscious decision to do unhealthy things because they enjoy them. That's her choice and I respect it, but facts are facts. Steroids are awful for your heart and she, according to her own words, suffered a heart attack. It is what it is.
PS. Bodybuilding, as a profession, deserves no respect. That line alone suggests that your primary concern is about the perception of the sport rather than her health.
Isn't Nataliya Korableva a wings of strength ambassador? How can they be promoting softer when she is as big as they come?
Wish An the best hope for a speedy recovery
I am neither pro or anti vaccine but I did take the first 2 shots as recommended by my doctor. 1st one felt fine however after taking the 2nd one I started getting tight chest pain, I remember being at home and getting random/rapid heart palpitations. I am a young healthy guy under 30, never had these issues before and I am convinced it was because of the vaccines. Haven't taken another vaccine since and don't plan to in the future.
I get the other classes but WBB is never going to marketable. It’s a niche within a niche. I’m inclined to believe it’s less about marketability and more about covering their asses and not requiring insane size and conditioning to win anymore to reduce chances of bad publicity from women kicking it.
The women in the larger classes have been coming in better conditioned than a lot of men in recent years, and I’m sure it has a toll. But no way that we can even talk about bikini/wellness and wbb in the same sentence in terms of audience appeal.
IFBB is trying to stop FBB turning into a freak show that no promoter wants to have at his shows and no one wants to watch. By forcing the winner go softer they are sending a message to the other competitors to tone it down. Same thing happened at the wellness division, all muscular competitors got penalized and same story at bikini. 1st place had a less developed physique than the top 5.
They don't care about drugs, they care about marketability.
I wish her a speedy recovery. If the information is correct and she did have a heart attack that is a career ending event. There are different kinds of heart attacks but any of them will put a final stop to her competitive bodybuilding.
A healthy young athletic woman with no prior pathology getting a heart attack is a very very slim probability, one in the millions.
She did compete at the Olympia a couple of days ago which means peak week and peak stress to her body, dehydration, extreme diet, drugs, bad sleep. She is obviously mRNA vaccinated multiple times or she would not been able to travel to US. And she has obliviously used PEDs for many years prior. Add to that international travel back and forth between continents in a short time frame.
Other people put their bodies to the same stress and do fine but some are just "unlucky", no one knows where their luck ends and this lifestyle has nothing to do with longevity.
I wonder if the “changes” had anything to do with asking Shaw to downsize a bit this year.
Or maybe not. It could be related to steroids but no one has stopped (that I’ve heard) Michaela from growing like a weed even from last year
Just passing by to say: the Ms.O 2023 will have my beloved Sherry Priami. For me, she will be in the top 5, at least.
I wish An the very best and has a speedy recovery. My mistake was not not include this in my initial comment about this matter. May she fulfill all her goals in the future.
You're fine. I hope people don't see my comments as aggressive, either. They aren't intended that way.
Sorry if I came across aggressive, that wasn't my intention. I naturally agree with you about the speculations and the well-wishing. I should have refrained from adding the last sentence in retrospect.
Didn't mean to seem like I was attacking Sigma. I just think we should be wishing her well right now and waiting until we know more to speculate as to what happened.
To be fair to Sigma592, 'heart attack' is the term used by An when posting her update. Not to stir further controversy but I suspect that was what she was told by the medical staff to describe what she had been throught.
Jesus christ, her neck
I'm not mad or even a little upset. I'm fine. Perhaps the cynical speculating above is accurate, but we don't know that. Think about if she was your loved one and strangers started publicly speculating about the nefariousness of her passion (bodybuilding) and assuming that that's why she's in the hospital, if she indeed is even in the hospital. We don't know anything and speculating with gossip is disrespectful.
Edit: You know what comes up when you google An's name with "heart attack" or "hospital?" This thread. That's it. I need to see more proof before I even believe she's hospitalized, let alone know the cause of it.
No disrespect to An! We're all entitled to our opinions. I am trying to be fair and did not assume anything about An's case or others. Chill out.
Melinda is out here crushing guys egos by being cute but at the same time making them feel puny
Until we hear what happened to An, you're making assumptions with no facts. Stop disrespecting her and the bodybuilding profession until we know if she's even in the hospital and for what. Otherwise, you're all gossiping like school children.
A few months ago, in response to an FBB dying (I dont remember who), I saw some IFBB bigwigs or something like that saying some of the bodybuilding or female bodybuilding rules or requirements would be changed. Have there been any updates on that? Have the rules and requirements been changed?
Or am I misremembering and nobody said anything like that?
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IIRC, Pam Hannam used to be a Berner (Bernie Sanders supporter) back then... Not sure what she is now but this quite fitted her personality.
That's a good point which has been raised several times in the powerlifting community. You get too immersed in social media, including countless YT videos - as you said, pushed by algorithms - of the likes of John Haack, Jamal Browner, etc. who function at aonther level. It is a double-edged sword: on one hand, it has the potential to fuel your motivation and by extension your 'gains'; on the other hand, they lift impossible, surreal numbers so you start asking yourself 'why bother' ? The worst cases are these TikTok teenaged chaps who are starting deadlifting over 600,700 pounds for breakfast and whose endeavours are getting more and more views, for the 'clout'. I can imagine the frustrations of many young guys coping with an inferiority complex vis-a-vis what they see on a daily basis.
You're right: benching 3 plates shouldn't be a source of shame, but of praises; I would go as far as saying benching 2 plates is really commendable !
Until there is a medical study done, we'll never know for sure. The perception is fairly accurate but the doubt lies in that we'll never know what drugs or enhancers are being used and in what doses, which types that will cause more harm, etc. There is a common denominator amongst the IFBB pros and the up and comers and maybe that's what we can agree on.