That's my main grievance. I don't really understand how, to this day, medical science hasn't been able to find a way to enhance muscularity without any other side effects. Why is muscle growth strictly tied to hormones?
Because biology is complicated, man. A single cell is an enormous network of very complex molecules, constantly moving around and interacting and reacting with each other. Any new substance you introduce to produce one effect is fairly likely to have other, unforeseen effects. It's theoretically possible to engineer, say, a targeted protein, but doing so will require a battery of tests, from in vitro to animal models to human testing, and cost potentially millions of dollars.
Much of the research that brought us the knowledge we have today on steroids and muscle growth was probably conducted in the Soviet Union, as they sought ways to turn ordinary athletes into athletes who would guarantee them Olympic golds. Absent a big science effort like that, the search for a non-androgenic anabolic will probably be starved for funding, and there would be ethical concerns too. Maybe Jake Wood would be capable of putting up the funds, and maybe he could find eager young bikini competitors willing to test it out... but he doesn't mind roided-out girls... he seems to like them masculine.
The definition of "smart" differs greatly depending on who you ask. You seem to equate it to emotional intelligence. I'm willing to bet that the majority of people in the world aren't nearly as sensitive to these social nuances.
Most people guess, but they don't know for sure. As you said, you're nice to everyone, and so the average person is likely to confuse that with attraction at some point.
Maybe smart wasn't the best way to put it..perceptive is perhaps more appropriate.
So until there is some sort of CRISPR treatment that hypertrophizes a lady's muscle without giving her the man jaw, deep voice, etc. (thus giving us the long sought after "Tetsuko in real life") there are levels of PED side effects I'll have to accept when thirsting up muscle babes.
That's my main grievance. I don't really understand how, to this day, medical science hasn't been able to find a way to enhance muscularity without any other side effects. Why is muscle growth strictly tied to hormones?
Ceteris paribus I would find a natty woman more enticing than a PED user, but we all know that the threshold for what natty women can achieve in terms of physique is quite low, and there are women with amazing physiques who use PEDs whom I find quite attractive. So until there is some sort of CRISPR treatment that hypertrophizes a lady's muscle without giving her the man jaw, deep voice, etc. (thus giving us the long sought after "Tetsuko in real life") there are levels of PED side effects I'll have to accept when thirsting up muscle babes.
It is sad that PED had side effects and we are not happy for suffering of women in PED .
When we say we found women in PED attractive, we are talking about their strength and beauty effects on us.
They choose this path and they should know the side effects. No body force them. Otherwise they will just quit or not enter PED world from the beginning.
If my close friend decides to have PED I will not encourage him/ her. However if he/ she choose to go on this path with its good and bad I will support him/ her by admiring the good results and not to disappoint him/ her for the side effects.
After reading comments on this post, I understand now the difficult life of GWM and why they avoid to interact with people in public in general. Most people will feel disgusting and say they are like men and those minority of people who likes GWM will feel disgusting about side effects and run away from reality expecting to see their fantasies in real world. Also they have to hide the fact they are using PED to participate in competitions while everyone knows the facts including people who is doing the test.
People including those who like GWM are looking to them as freaks and cheater.
For those who want to see GWM without PED and their side effects better stay in your fantasy world. Otherwise accept the fact that big muscle are masculine and women can only have small muscles with very rare cases with a little bigger muscles.
Listen..smart women AND smart men ALWAYS know when a man or a woman is interested and finds them attractive. It's human nature, you dig? I'm a man and I know it when a woman or man is interested in me..not hard to figure it out once they show it. I'm nice to everyone regardless of whether or not I'm interested in anything physically/sexually.
The definition of "smart" differs greatly depending on who you ask. You seem to equate it to emotional intelligence. I'm willing to bet that the majority of people in the world aren't nearly as sensitive to these social nuances.
Most people guess, but they don't know for sure. As you said, you're nice to everyone, and so the average person is likely to confuse that with attraction at some point.
Listen..smart women AND smart men ALWAYS know when a man or a woman is interested and finds them attractive. It's human nature, you dig? I'm a man and I know it when a woman or man is interested in me..not hard to figure it out once they show it. I'm nice to everyone regardless of whether or not I'm interested in anything physically/sexually.
My first real encounter was at a beach trip with school, We where walking to our destination and in the corner of my eye i see a girl about my age with a ripped 6 pack, i didn't think much of it at the time but yeah that was my first time.
Second time is a woman i see walking by in the park sometimes, Her calves are pretty hot if i say so myself, She is about 40-50 Years old i think. Is this kind of calve normal for a girl or do you think this is hot?
idk. i think a woman can feel if you are interested in her. but as far as understanding that u are attracted by her muscles just meeting for the first time? i don't know
Checking with the poll results, as of this post, 58 respondents say they prefer women who don’t take PEDs. I’m really curious as to what those respondents consider as a “natural” physique. I guarantee that the women they lust after the most are on them.
Something similar I thought about when reading this was the evolution of the CrossFit Games. The first Games consisted of events that were actually pretty doable for a highly trained natural athlete. Compared that to today’s Games, and it’s so much more intense and the women are lifting weights as heavy as the men were in the early days. The standards have jumped so high, and that’s because spectators want to see stronger and more conditioned athletes participating in more punishing events.
Funny you should mention crossfit. I know a couple of women who have been doing Crossfit for several years, 1 moved onto bodybuilding and was open about her PED use, bit hard not to be when both her and her husband got arrested importing steroids.
Another one has admitted to doing a cycle and commented that even at a club level most people are using PEDs, and at the gym she is a member of alot of people are openly discussing it. She told me that she was doing the school pickup one day and talking to a couple of other mothers who are also crossfitters and one of them had some HGH in her handbag that she had just gotten.
So I guess women like Andrea Shaw have crossed the line for most of you. She knows what she’s doing and I find her incredibly enticing as a women and not how some would describe her as looking like a man.
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Wait what?? Muscles are masculine?? Lol!
Because biology is complicated, man. A single cell is an enormous network of very complex molecules, constantly moving around and interacting and reacting with each other. Any new substance you introduce to produce one effect is fairly likely to have other, unforeseen effects. It's theoretically possible to engineer, say, a targeted protein, but doing so will require a battery of tests, from in vitro to animal models to human testing, and cost potentially millions of dollars.
Much of the research that brought us the knowledge we have today on steroids and muscle growth was probably conducted in the Soviet Union, as they sought ways to turn ordinary athletes into athletes who would guarantee them Olympic golds. Absent a big science effort like that, the search for a non-androgenic anabolic will probably be starved for funding, and there would be ethical concerns too. Maybe Jake Wood would be capable of putting up the funds, and maybe he could find eager young bikini competitors willing to test it out... but he doesn't mind roided-out girls... he seems to like them masculine.
It's smart to be clear about what you like and not play silly little games hoping the other person figures it out.
Maybe smart wasn't the best way to put it..perceptive is perhaps more appropriate.
Christy Resendes as far as "small and iron-hard" goes
But as far as overall peaks go, there can be only one choice... Katie Lee
Macey Boudreau had one of my favorite peaks
That's my main grievance. I don't really understand how, to this day, medical science hasn't been able to find a way to enhance muscularity without any other side effects. Why is muscle growth strictly tied to hormones?
So, it's complicated.
Ceteris paribus I would find a natty woman more enticing than a PED user, but we all know that the threshold for what natty women can achieve in terms of physique is quite low, and there are women with amazing physiques who use PEDs whom I find quite attractive. So until there is some sort of CRISPR treatment that hypertrophizes a lady's muscle without giving her the man jaw, deep voice, etc. (thus giving us the long sought after "Tetsuko in real life") there are levels of PED side effects I'll have to accept when thirsting up muscle babes.
I love Mindi O'Brian, but on the other end of the size spectrum might be Josi
Phyllis Padur!
It is sad that PED had side effects and we are not happy for suffering of women in PED .
When we say we found women in PED attractive, we are talking about their strength and beauty effects on us.
They choose this path and they should know the side effects. No body force them. Otherwise they will just quit or not enter PED world from the beginning.
If my close friend decides to have PED I will not encourage him/ her. However if he/ she choose to go on this path with its good and bad I will support him/ her by admiring the good results and not to disappoint him/ her for the side effects.
After reading comments on this post, I understand now the difficult life of GWM and why they avoid to interact with people in public in general. Most people will feel disgusting and say they are like men and those minority of people who likes GWM will feel disgusting about side effects and run away from reality expecting to see their fantasies in real world. Also they have to hide the fact they are using PED to participate in competitions while everyone knows the facts including people who is doing the test.
People including those who like GWM are looking to them as freaks and cheater.
For those who want to see GWM without PED and their side effects better stay in your fantasy world. Otherwise accept the fact that big muscle are masculine and women can only have small muscles with very rare cases with a little bigger muscles.
Vivian Roberge
Tara is getting there and so is Vicky Voicu
It's hard to top Mindi O'Brien...
Michelle Maroldo
Mindi O’Brien
I'm going to use this as a survey to create a future poll, using names featured in this thread.
To me the perfect bicep peak stands tall, and is round and hard. It rises above her delts and has perfect development.
One of the standouts to me has always been Mindi O'Brien:
Who are your choices?
The definition of "smart" differs greatly depending on who you ask. You seem to equate it to emotional intelligence. I'm willing to bet that the majority of people in the world aren't nearly as sensitive to these social nuances.
Most people guess, but they don't know for sure. As you said, you're nice to everyone, and so the average person is likely to confuse that with attraction at some point.
Listen..smart women AND smart men ALWAYS know when a man or a woman is interested and finds them attractive. It's human nature, you dig? I'm a man and I know it when a woman or man is interested in me..not hard to figure it out once they show it. I'm nice to everyone regardless of whether or not I'm interested in anything physically/sexually.
i guess it coudl go different ways:
you don't say anything about her physique, so either you don't mind it or don't care enough to say
you say something anything that can be construed as negative (by her) and she knows you're not into it
you say something positive, and you COULD be into it, or just nice
you say more than a few things, and she definitely now knows you're into it.
i think most of us would wind up in the last category.
My first real encounter was at a beach trip with school, We where walking to our destination and in the corner of my eye i see a girl about my age with a ripped 6 pack, i didn't think much of it at the time but yeah that was my first time.
Second time is a woman i see walking by in the park sometimes, Her calves are pretty hot if i say so myself, She is about 40-50 Years old i think. Is this kind of calve normal for a girl or do you think this is hot?
idk. i think a woman can feel if you are interested in her. but as far as understanding that u are attracted by her muscles just meeting for the first time? i don't know
Funny you should mention crossfit. I know a couple of women who have been doing Crossfit for several years, 1 moved onto bodybuilding and was open about her PED use, bit hard not to be when both her and her husband got arrested importing steroids. Another one has admitted to doing a cycle and commented that even at a club level most people are using PEDs, and at the gym she is a member of alot of people are openly discussing it. She told me that she was doing the school pickup one day and talking to a couple of other mothers who are also crossfitters and one of them had some HGH in her handbag that she had just gotten.
So I guess women like Andrea Shaw have crossed the line for most of you. She knows what she’s doing and I find her incredibly enticing as a women and not how some would describe her as looking like a man.
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