What % of GWM models do you think are on steroids?

There are a very large number of women featured on this site. The most muscular ones seems to get the most attention, but there are plenty who seem to slip by under the radar.

This poll is meant to highlight awareness in the userbase's knowledge of:

• The visual side effects of steroid use
• The lesser known women who aren't obviously on a steroid cycle

Please answer honestly. If you don't feel confident in any answer, then use your best judgment.

Usually I throw in a "Why is this even a poll?" - type of option but all of the slots were filled this time.

I don't think it's every woman that lifts is on drugs, but I have no illusion that the vast majority on this site are on PEDs.

This old chestnut again.

Nothing is ever 100%, so I voted 90%.

I've read that the vast majority of people who juice don't compete in any form. More just to look and feel stronger/better.

Propose a new forum - guess the average juiced GWM c!it length. 🤣.

Every single bikini, figure, physique, and women's bodybuilding competitor has taken PEDs. Same goes for all of the amateurs with obvious signs of use. There's still a lot of pics of thin, model type women with a little bit of tone on GWM; they're the only ones who are natural.

Every single bikini, figure, physique, and women's bodybuilding competitor has taken PEDs. Same goes for all of the amateurs with obvious signs of use. There's still a lot of pics of thin, model type women with a little bit of tone on GWM; they're the only ones who are natural.

This is armchair musing at its best. What authority do you have to make such a definitive and confident statement?

I would say 95%.

Sites like this (and I don't mean this as a criticism) unfortunately lead to warped expectations on what is considered "muscular" and, most importantly, what is considered "natty achievable." I have seen some absolutely wild claims and theories about lifting, nutrition and drug use from people who really have no experience in a weight room or with strength sports, and instead take the claims of a fitness influencer or athlete as gospel. That's no clearing than in the "who are your favorite natural lifters?" threads that we see pop up and people post women who are pretty clearly on PEDs.

Social media algorithms and sites like this show what people want to see, and flood their feeds with more and more of that content which can make it look like there are more of that thing than there actually really is. The women who get the most engagement here are those who are on PEDs (and they don't have to be mass monsters either.) And since there is such a saturation of those enhanced bodies that get all the attention, natural lifters get overshadowed, assuming that they are even muscular enough to be on the site.

Fitness influencers are also full of shit. They constantly lie about being natty because, legal repercussions aside, it can hurt their business. They sell you on a fantasy and a promise that if you do the programming and diet plans that they sell, use equipment they promote, or really plunk down serious money on their "personalized" coaching, that you too can look like them. The general public is VASTLY ignorant of the prevalence of drugs in lifting and fitness cultures. Hell, look at fucking LIVER KING. That due was roided to the point that it looked like his veins would pop, and yet he still had a legion of followers who SWORE he was natural and that he would never lie to them, until he was exposed, and even after that he still have a pretty large following.

And honestly, schmoes can also be very gullible. How many times have we read some dude here say something like "She told me she was natty so it must be true bro!" A woman is not going to admit to some rando DMing them, or some random schlub camming with them, that they are using PEDs because there is no upside to that. Personally, I have sessioned with powerlifters and smaller wrestlers who have admitted that they use, but that's mostly because they see that I am into lifting and know how to train. If you actually get into lifting and look like it, natty or not, people will generally be more open to talking about it.

99.999%

I have seen some absolutely wild claims and theories about lifting, nutrition and drug use from people who really have no experience in a weight room or with strength sports, and instead take the claims of a fitness influencer or athlete as gospel.

I think this has a lot to do with age. Users of a certain age tend to naively cling to every word their favorite influencer spouts. If I had to guess a reason for this, I'd say that it's taught behavior. You're supposed to be "humble", "grateful", have "chills" and any other popular buzz word you can think of, at all times. At least, that's my impression as a Gen-X'er.

I just assume they all use something, but this goes for the professional men as well. That said, I love them (well the women) for it.

Of course, if these girls on their insta are like "I'm natural" I'm going to be "ahh ok...." like I am not going to call them out because what's the point? I love their look.

I'd say its certainly over 80% and its likely to be over 90%. Personally it doesn't bother me and there are certain features that really point toward steroid use and not just the muscle mass (I'm thinking achne and clit bulges). The girls still have to work hard to get the kind of physiques that we regularly see on this site but its important to be aware that most of them have had some chemical assistance.

The difference maker is probably going to be how many crossfit/fitness models there are on the site that don't get featured as much as the body builder types. I have no idea what the figures are on this but it would be good to know.

Got to be well over 90%.

I think this has a lot to do with age. Users of a certain age tend to naively cling to every word their favorite influencer spouts. If I had to guess a reason for this, I'd say that it's taught behavior. You're supposed to be "humble", "grateful", have "chills" and any other popular buzz word you can think of, at all times. At least, that's my impression as a Gen-X'er.

"Credulous" or "gullible" would be the words that come to mind.

It doesn't matter.

They build the muscle for themselves. It doesn't matter how they do it. Just enjoy looking at them and stop worrying about it.

I think this has a lot to do with age. Users of a certain age tend to naively cling to every word their favorite influencer spouts. If I had to guess a reason for this, I'd say that it's taught behavior. You're supposed to be "humble", "grateful", have "chills" and any other popular buzz word you can think of, at all times. At least, that's my impression as a Gen-X'er.

While I do agree with this, I think in the context of this site, the reason that so many "schmoes" are gullible is because of the halo effect. They are so attracted to muscular women that they are much more apt to believe whatever they say, even if it's complete bullshit. If it was a guy saying the same thing, or a woman that they aren't physically attracted to, I doubt they would be as gullible.

The difference maker is probably going to be how many crossfit/fitness models there are on the site that don't get featured as much as the body builder types. I have no idea what the figures are on this but it would be good to know.

As a Crossfitter myself I can tell you that PEDs are very, very common in elite-level CrossFit. Hell, at my former gym no fewer than three coaches, and quite a few members, were on them. And these were people who had no chance of even making the semifinals each year.

Every single bikini, figure, physique, and women's bodybuilding competitor has taken PEDs.

Within the context of the question ("steroids" ie banned substances), broad, sweeping absolute statements like this have no hope of legitimacy. There are several competitors that I know have not used banned substances - because I trained and advised them. Now, you said "PEDs" and out of the context of the question that's accurate, because coffee (CNS stimulant and diuretic) can technically be considered a PED.

Now, if you want to go further, I take umbrage with the term "natural competitor" - because nothing about deliberate, focused resistance training is "natural." In this instance, within the confines of the defined argument, it can be said that there are absolutely no "natural" competitors.

I am happy that they use steroids because this stuff make these girls look awesome (most of the time).

As a Crossfitter myself I can tell you that PEDs are very, very common in elite-level CrossFit. Hell, at my former gym no fewer than three coaches, and quite a few members, were on them. And these were people who had no chance of even making the semifinals each year.

Does professional crossfit involve anti-doping tests? Is the level of PEDs usage in professional crossfit similar to olympic sports like swimming or track and field? Or is it higher?

Does professional crossfit involve anti-doping tests? Is the level of PEDs usage in professional crossfit similar to olympic sports like swimming or track and field? Or is it higher?

It does, but the difference between Elite Crossfit and, say, the Olympics, is that CrossFit drug testing is conducted, enforced and has sanctions administered by, CrossFit HQ themselves, whereas with the Olympics they are done under the World Antidoping Agency (WADA.) While PED use does happen among Olympic athletes, drug testing is far more strict that it is with HQ. Since HQ conducts testing at their own discretion and without any overseeing regulatory body, they can essentially do whatever they want with determining who to test, how often they get tested, and even what they do with the results of those tests.

An organization drug testing their athletes do not make for a clean sport, however, and just because someone consistently tests negative, that doesn't mean they don't use and have never used (Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones are two examples of athletes who have never failed a test and yet were caught.) Most PEDs have a pretty short detecting window, so they're not that hard to beat assuming you are not stupid with your cycle schedule.

I know, but at least if you are in an olympic sport you cannot tale whatever and whenever you want (you are not 100% clean, as you correctly told. But you have to suspend assumption near the competition or something like that. I read a few days ago an interview to Lance Armstrong explaining this). Moreover there are practices that are not PED, strictly speaking, but give advantages (hyperbaric rooms...)

Moreover there are practices that are not PED, strictly speaking, but give advantages (hyperbaric rooms...)

That's arguing over semantics here when it comes to "giving advantages." Using a hyperbaric room isn't illegal in most jurisdictions like PEDs are.

And at the end of the day, there is nothing else out there that will give you an advantage like using actual PEDs (steroids, growth hormone, insulin, etc) can. You can argue that sports are inherently unfair due to genetics playing a big role, but PEDs are extremely effective when it comes not only to building strength, but also with improving recovery and giving you the ability to train longer, harder and more frequently than a natty athlete.