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Nov 06, 2024 - edited Nov 06, 2024 - permalink

looks like he won the popular vote. are the voters not normal people or do you think its more likely that its just you who isnt normal?

LOL! Oh Blips. Time will prove me right. And it isn't a question of normal vs abnormal. It is more a question of mass hysteria and delusional/complacent thinking. Those who voted for Trump yesterday will soon rue the day that they ever did such a foolish thing. Soon, the cards will begin to hit the table and things will look very grim indeed.

Nov 06, 2024 - permalink

LOL! Oh Blips. Time will prove me right. And it isn't a question of normal vs abnormal. It is more a question of mass hysteria and delusional/complacent thinking. Those who voted for Trump yesterday will soon rue the day that they ever did such a foolish thing. Soon, the cards will begin to hit the table and things will look very grim indeed.

things that didnt happen in 2016-2020

Nov 06, 2024 - permalink

Whaddayaknow? The voters vested in a woman's ability to terminate her unborn with ease didn't drag Kamala to victory. And maybe it was a bad idea painting it so that voters were either with her or they're Nazis.

Nov 06, 2024 - permalink

Both Blips and Bat are missing the point. But this isn't surprising considering where they are coming from. As it has been said since time immemorial: Those that ignore History are doomed to repeat it.

Nov 06, 2024 - permalink

Both Blips and Bat are missing the point. But this isn't surprising considering where they are coming from. As it has been said since time immemorial: Those that ignore History are doomed to repeat it.

Evidently, Americans are already forgetting what fascists and Nazis really are. Hint: It's not someone who disagrees with your views or attends a Trump rally.

Nov 06, 2024 - edited Nov 06, 2024 - permalink

Evidently, Americans are already forgetting what fascists and Nazis really are. Hint: It's not someone who disagrees with your views or attends a Trump rally.

I think you are right Bat. But such nominal groups are not those that will cause the major up-coming world-wide catastrophe that will affect every single American and every other human on this planet. And this coming disaster has nothing to do with nuclear weapons or current political squables. When the 'thing' happens, it will be too late to stop it. And don't think Climate Change either.

My hint is that the gigantic mess will be triggered by one man.

Nov 07, 2024 - edited Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

Disclaimer: I voted for Harris/Walz and am strongly against Trump. Last night obviously didn't go as I wanted it to, and while it was honestly a shock when Trump took North Carolina and basically cruised to victory, looking back on what lead to that it honestly doesn't surprise me for several reasons:

First and foremost, there is a lot of blame to be had on the Democratic party. We have had three elections with rather weak candidates. I have been registered to vote since 2006, and the last presidential election where I felt genuinely excited and confident with who I was voting for was back in 2012. To put it bluntly, Biden is not a good president, and he got his win by basically not being Trump, and Harris did not do enough to separate herself from him. She had the challenge of having a shorter campaign window, but I feel that she went into it with I think a bit too much overconfidence in relying on a voter base that traditionally leans to the left. I wouldn't say she took advantage of them, but I think she assumed that those votes were guaranteed, but as the numbers showed, that was not what happened this election, ESPECIALLY amongst Latino men, which is my demographic.

And with regards to campaign strategy: she spent way too much time attacking Trump as opposed to detailing her planned policies and actions as President. For those of us who are against Trump, we already know all the things that she is attacking him on from just listening to him talk. It's a waste of time because attacking him isn't going to change the hearts and minds of his supporters or really those of the undecided. It's far more effective to talk about what you're going to do in office especially given that many Americans are struggling with rising prices and a tightening labor market. What's a common argument that you hear from Trump supporters? "He tweets mean things, but he helps me live better." Even if he can't and doesn't do those things (more on that later,) that is what the majority of the electorate will focus on, and that's what you have to tactically approach.

The other issue the Democratic has is that they are viewed by the right at the party of "elites," and they haven't done really anything to quell that. Trump is as populist as a candidate can get (and yes, the irony of him being that while he is a billionaire businessman is not lost on me,) and while nobody would mistake him for a member of Mensa, he is very, very good at cultivating a cult of personality persona. There is a reason that Trump says that he "loves the poorly educated." Not many people know what the extent of a president's power is, and he is very good as making promises along with casting blame on things that have little impact from the executive branch (like inflation.) He also is good a stoking fear, like his claim about there being open borders despite border crossings actually going down, or violent crime being a major issue despite it actually going down. Why read boring statistics from a dry analytical article or paper when you can hear a charismatic speaker stoke the flames of fear, along with him saying that anything that goes against what he is saying is "fake news."

You can't sway those supporters towards you, so Harris should have focused on not just her own party but the undecideds. Her losing wasn't just because of a "red wave," but also because of voter apathy where registered voters were not turning out to support her. And I say this as someone who was for her from pretty much her announcement of running: I went to the polls with a lot of apathy with the only motivation being that I didn't want four more years of Trump. That may have worked for Biden but you can't rely on the same strategy twice.

And to put it bluntly there are supporters who are for Trump because of racism, sexism and discriminatory attitudes towards LGBT individuals. Trump is a bully and acts like a bully towards people who question and challenge him. But unfortunately, you can't be guaranteed victory by calling out those behaviors. You have to win by policy strategy and separating yourself from an unpopular administration along with never assuming that you'll always have support from traditionally supportive demographics. Harris made all those blunders, and it cost her the election.

Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

I think you are right Bat. But such nominal groups are not those that will cause the major up-coming world-wide catastrophe that will affect every single American and every other human on this planet. And this coming disaster has nothing to do with nuclear weapons or current political squables. When the 'thing' happens, it will be too late to stop it. And don't think Climate Change either.

My hint is that the gigantic mess will be triggered by one man.

translation: "things will get bad, i dont know how but just trust me"

Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

> Also, nobody cares about the squirrel ... here in NY you cannot own squirrels as pets period.

Big surprise, New Yorkers hate squirrels and freedom. These New Yorkers won't stop until every beloved rodent is killed.

  • Mickey Mouse? Dead.

  • Alvin and the Chipmunks? Dead.

  • 1980s metal band Ratt? Dead.

New York: Too Extreme for America.

And Desantis killed Mickey Mouse, Dumbass

Republicans are the EXTREMISTS with BAT SHIT CRAZIES LIKE RFK & MTG.

NOW THE GOV'T IS THEIRS TO FUCK UP.

Chainer
Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

^ lol well that's a ban

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Nov 07, 2024 - edited Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

Thankyou Gatsby for your thoughtful and informative analysis of what happened and why. I tend to agree with you.

And Blips....all you need do is review certain items on Trumps Agenda, look to history and you will instantly understand what it is I am talking about. There is nothing mysterious here at all. Just simply telling you what it is is worthless...better to let you 'witness things first hand' and then the penny will drop. By then, of course, it will be way too late. But you will have learned a very tough lesson and have to swallow it.

Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

Thankyou Gatsby for your thoughtful and informative analysis of what happened and why. I tend to agree with you.

And Blips....all you need do is review certain items on Trumps Agenda, look to history and you will instantly understand what it is I am talking about. There is nothing mysterious here at all. Just simply telling you what it is is worthless...better to let you 'witness things first hand' and then the penny will drop. By then, of course, it will be way too late. But you will have learned a very tough lesson and have to swallow it.

translation: "i promise i know what im talking about dude just trust me"

Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

translation: "i promise i know what im talking about dude just trust me"

You don't know much history do you Blips. That's too bad really. But you will learn.

Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

Speaking of normal vs abnormal, it's worth noting the major contrast between the way Kamala accepts defeat vs Trump. No crying, pouting, or divisive rhetoric. She gracefully accepted the outcome and began the process of re-uniting the country. In any context, most people don't enjoy seeing incredibly entitled and petulant behavior get rewarded, but here we are.

Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

Why is this electric rail here and why are so many people touching it?

Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

You don't know much history do you Blips. That's too bad really. But you will learn.

youre saying nothing of substance though. everything youre typing can be summed up as "i know what im talking about and you dont"

Nov 07, 2024 - edited Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

Very very happy with the results. Good to see America has some fight left in it and that people are waking up the media lies and hyperbole.

Kamala was an awful candidate and I'm shocked she got as many votes as she did tbh. The media basically did the campaigning for her as she was too incompetent. What the Democrats did to the country the last four years is despicable and really is treasonous imo. They just call everyone sexist and racist while funding wars and leaving the border open, pushing an insane agenda and using lawfare (even against RFK) to maintain power and imprison opponents.

I started out an RFK Jr Democrat and the more I researched and learned, the more I started to see what was really going on in this country. I voted as a Republican for the first time, it felt great.

As a lifelong Democrat, I can't see myself ever voting for this party ever again.

God Bless America!

Nov 07, 2024 - edited Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

Speaking of normal vs abnormal, it's worth noting the major contrast between the way Kamala accepts defeat vs Trump. No crying, pouting, or divisive rhetoric. She gracefully accepted the outcome and began the process of re-uniting the country. In any context, most people don't enjoy seeing incredibly entitled and petulant behavior get rewarded, but here we are.

Yeah she got whooped, it wasn't close like when Hilary denied the results, Trump did, or Gore did. This was clear domination.

What Hilary and Obama did was the worst of all actually (funded Steele dossier, spied on Trump campaign, started the Russian collusion hoax for three years ..treason)

Nov 07, 2024 - edited Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

things that didnt happen in 2016-2020

It was always striking to me that with all the name calling, they seem to forget that he's already been president for four years lol. These people are wild, I can't believe I was once one of them.

Nov 07, 2024 - edited Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

Everything depends upon where and how one gets their information. The very slick and professional Chinese and Russian propaganda machines have been extremely successful --- they learn from their past errors but the West doesn't appear to have learned a thing. Esp the person in the street. As the average American goes about their business, oblivious to the influences that are affecting their World Outlooks, there is really only one outcome. The snickering and laughing in Beijing and Moscow must be something to see. We have just witnessed a very serious and highly compromising outcome just the other day --- the Champagne corks are popping in various places but certainly not in the West. The erosion of Democracy and Freedom is now well on its way to oblivion. All of this is just the curtain raising to show a new reality.

Nov 07, 2024 - edited Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

Everything depends upon where and how one gets their information. The very slick and professional Chinese and Russian propaganda machines have been extremely successful --- they learn from their past errors but the West doesn't appear to have learned a thing. Esp the person in the street. As the average American goes about their business, oblivious to the influences that are affecting their World Outlooks, there is really only one outcome. The snickering and laughing in Beijing and Moscow must be something to see. We have just witnessed a very serious and highly compromising outcome just the other day --- the Champagne corks are popping in various places but certainly not in the West. The erosion of Democracy and Freedom is now well on its way to oblivion. All of this is just the curtain raising to show a new reality.

Putin spanked Biden for four years and endorsed Kamala.

The great thing about the modern era is you can actually look up the story and see the video for yourself. So when they lie about the "bloodbath hoax" or the "fine people on both sides hoax" or the "he wants to shoot Liz Cheney hoax", you can literally look up the video for yourself and see the ACTUAL video and how they were lying. Too many people are waking up as mainstream media dies.

Nov 07, 2024 - edited Nov 07, 2024 - permalink

Putin spanked Biden for four years and endorsed Kamala.

The great thing about the modern era is you can actually look up the story and see the video for yourself. So when they lie about the "bloodbath hoax" or the "fine people on both sides hoax" or the "he wants to shoot Liz Cheney hoax", you can literally look up the video for yourself and see the ACTUAL video and how they were lying. Too many people are waking up as mainstream media dies.

Oh yes....Putin is one smart psychopath. He even has you fooled Binary. What Putin says (and we can all watch video's till the cows come home) is not at all what the Kremlin is generating on the WWW because slick propaganda can never be brought back to the generator agents mainly because the average brain taking such stuff in has no interest in verifying things properly.

This so-called "great thing about the Modern Era" is nothing more than AI bots pushing items in your face. This is the anti-thesis of Personal Choice and, subsequently, Critical Thinking. This all reminds me of Fahrenheit 451. But the author of the fiction had no idea how far things would go and so soon.

We are currently experiencing the Dawn of the Non-Information Age and this is what Marshal McCluhan meant by "The Medium is the Message".

But you do make several good points...unfortunately, because you ask us to rely upon the Medium, that causes me pause.

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