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You actually gave a rational reason for the exclusion of trans women a few pages back. I don't agree with it, but it's rational.
In effect, you said that people look at the photos on this site to be aroused. And part of their arousal is projection. So if someone is turned on by a muscular trans woman - without knowing she's trans - they might be distressed by this knowledge, as it is now part of their projection. Even if they're never going to meet or be intimate with this person, they no longer feel like they could, and that's a boner killer (my words here).
I get that. I think this is entirely valid for a p0rn site. I have zero problem with HerBiceps or Awefilms or whoever declining to have trans models. People have the right to be turned on by who they like. It's also okay for a trans site to exclude cis women.
Thing is:
1) This isn't expressly a p0rn site. At least that's not how it's sold. Its supposed to be a huge repository of images. In theory, women should be able to exist here outside of being sexually attractive. They just need to have muscles.
2) As such, you can't have it both ways on the trans ban. If you believe that birth sex is fixed, then trans men are still women, and they belong here. There's plenty of other girls on lots of gear with huge muscles and short hair and no boobs and bulges in their panties. As stated, the only difference between Rheta West and a Trans man is the trans guy's embrace of facial hair.
If you believe that gender can change, then trans men are now verboten (as they're men) and trans women should be allowed. Lots of fit trans girls out there look indistinguishable from the girls already on here. And they work hard for their muscles. You're excluding them and devaluing their accomplishments because it's incompatible with some people's fantasy projection. And that's wrong.
3) Just to clarify - you CAN have it both ways on the trans ban, you'd just be a hypocrite. Which happens every time trans men are mentioned. The same people who want trans women to use the mens room will freak out if a buff and bearded trans man uses the women's room. It messes with the misogynistic narrative, so the solution is to move on with a joke and try to bring the focus back to "men in dresses." You're not alone in this.
I don't even personally find trans people attractive. I'm bisexual and very much into cisgender, clearly binary people. I'm horny and kinky. I like buff women with smooth vaginas and buff guys with big penises. It's just a preference. Doesn't make me a transphobe. I'm not really attracted to black girls or Indian girls or middle eastern girls either. Doesn't make me a racist. We're allowed to have our sexual preferences.
So having trans women on here isn't going to get me aroused. I'll stick with Kristina Mendoza and Chris Bumstead, thank you very much. But I still think that they should be included. I don't mind seeing their photos because I'm a reasonable person who believes that others should be free to be who they want.. and I don't think that female athletes only have value if they're sexually appealing to me.
the simple answer is "no". Most of the site's users wouldn't wanna see that.
Sorry, but the poll up on there tells another story
We forget about natty women who work really hard to get a muscle. They are being further punished with not only sharing the stage with the ones juicing now also the people born with the male advantage. I say XX chromosome women only, except that rare 6 out of 100k women who are XY born with the female gender. They are ok too. I think it is more precise to say if you were born with working or non working Mullerian system you are the only ones allowed here.
Much as I love them, trans women pages attract nasty men. Either chasers or bigots. And then the creeps take over the site, and it becomes exclusively about trans women.
Much as I love them, trans women pages attract nasty men. Either chasers or bigots. And then the creeps take over the site, and it becomes exclusively about trans women.
And muscular cis women pages does not attract nasty men? :)
Maybe it’s our moderators hard at work, but I haven’t seen a lot of drive-by hecklers on this site.
But my argument remains the same. Put trans women on the main page, and it becomes a trans site, for good or ill. The phobes will quit, after a lot of yelling, the remainders will post more trans content than cis bodybuilders, the chasers and porn hounds will come in, and the whole site goes to hell.
Question, morph images are hidden from the main page no? Couldn’t the same been done for trans people?
Could be considered offensive I guess but if possible why not give it a try? Could bring In some new traffic from places like TikTok and reddit this way.
Maybe it’s our moderators hard at work, but I haven’t seen a lot of drive-by hecklers on this site.
But my argument remains the same. Put trans women on the main page, and it becomes a trans site, for good or ill. The phobes will quit, after a lot of yelling, the remainders will post more trans content than cis bodybuilders, the chasers and porn hounds will come in, and the whole site goes to hell.
I mean, that's never going to happen. The amount of potential muscular trans girls out there compared to the overall buff women population is like a pebble on the beach.
But I agree that the heckling and bitching will be absolutely non stop. Especially now. It's probably more of a bummer for the trans models than it is a boon.
I mean, that's never going to happen. The amount of potential muscular trans girls out there compared to the overall buff women population is like a pebble on the beach.
But I agree that the heckling and bitching will be absolutely non stop. Especially now. It's probably more of a bummer for the trans models than it is a boon.
I agree.
I am definitely not opposed to transgender women being on the GWM main pages, but the amount of people (as evidenced by past discussions) who will write downright nasty shit and then say "I'm just sharing my opinion bro!" will cause it to be more of a detriment than a positive.
I agree.
I am definitely not opposed to transgender women being on the GWM main pages, but the amount of people (as evidenced by past discussions) who will write downright nasty shit and then say "I'm just sharing my opinion bro!" will cause it to be more of a detriment than a positive.
So you agree that transwomen are a "pebble on the beach" compared to real women (cis women), yet you would like to see them on the main page of GWM? Why should such a tiny fraction should represent what GWM look like? How can you do such mental gymnastics to think in such a way that one minute they are a tiny insignificant selection yet they need to be the representative? Do you feel like some social justice warrior, and the rest of us are just oppressors? Do you really think that?
So you agree that transwomen are a "pebble on the beach" compared to real women (cis women), yet you would like to see them on the main page of GWM? Why should such a tiny fraction should represent what GWM look like? How can you do such mental gymnastics to think in such a way that one minute they are a tiny insignificant selection yet they need to be the representative? Do you feel like some social justice warrior, and the rest of us are just oppressors? Do you really think that?
Bro, you're literally an example of the problem here.
Both me and Gatsby said that trans women shouldn't be featured on the site. We said why. And you're still bitching and complaining and bringing out "mental gymnastics."
You won. Congrats, I guess.
You can safely look at the pictures here and know that the women with test counts over 2000 that you'll never ever meet or interact with are all cisgender women. Except the ones who aren't.
Because hilariously, trans models will continue to get posted and you guys will continue to have no idea and they'll continue to get upvotes and comments until one person figures it out and then the same little circus of clowns has a total meltdown over it.
It takes a while to catch up because buff trans women can look and sound exactly the same as buff cis women and we all know it. Because testosterone be like that. And every girl with a decent amount of muscle has to be on it.
Let me be clear: this is why 95% of humanity sees a female bodybuilder and thinks that they're trans. We are the small minority who appreciates that this isn't necessarily the case. But in the eyes of most of the world, guys who like female bodybuilders are in the same boat as guys who like trans women. I suspect this is why some of you have to fight so hard against it. I sleep with literal men if I feel like it, so IDGAF what anyone thinks of my sexuality.
And yes for the record: I think that trans women should not be featured on this site, but I think that the reasons are weak and silly.
Maybe there are people for whom everything is a game of catch or let's pretend.