Would the top three at the Ms. O been different had Anastasia Leonova been able to compete?

This is completely hypothetical, but I am wondering how well you think Anastasia Leonova would have placed had she been able to compete.

I'm not sure it would be different, but it sure should be different.

She deserved to be there. She might not have affected top three rankings but she would be certainly very visible, so for me this year Ms Olympia was not a world class competition. Quality of every sporting match and value of winning is determined by quality of opponents. Truly victory is determined by who you can beat, not by who somebody manage to take out economically, politically (or otherwise).

I am not sure maybe she could be number. I hope there will be more international competitions in countries like Switzerland or other countries that try to be neutral. since everything is very us focused

While I think she would have made top 10 easily, I don't think she would have effected the top 3 rankings.

LMAO no.

Why can't she compete? I assume it's because she can't get a visa due to the sanctions?

Why can't she compete? I assume it's because she can't get a visa due to the sanctions?

I'm pretty sure she can get a visa and can travel. I'm going to make an assumption based on current FIA and FIM policy.

Being Russian, she's not allowed to compete in internationally-governed sport unless she A) publicly denounces the Russian government and its actions regarding Ukraine, and/or B) had established herself as a "permanent resident" or equivalent of another country. No Russian is going to do option A (the Kamaz Master Sport teams have dominated world rally for several years and have been completely absent from all WR2C races, for example) and I'm pretty sure that she'd have needed to establish option B prior to the hostilities.

Mind you this is an assumption regarding her, but it follows a pattern that I didn't just pull outta my ass.

Were any other Russians competing under the Russian flag?

I'm pretty sure she can get a visa and can travel. I'm going to make an assumption based on current FIA and FIM policy.

Being Russian, she's not allowed to compete in internationally-governed sport unless she A) publicly denounces the Russian government and its actions regarding Ukraine, and/or B) had established herself as a "permanent resident" or equivalent of another country. No Russian is going to do option A (the Kamaz Master Sport teams have dominated world rally for several years and have been completely absent from all WR2C races, for example) and I'm pretty sure that she'd have needed to establish option B prior to the hostilities.

Mind you this is an assumption regarding her, but it follows a pattern that I didn't just pull outta my ass.

Were any other Russians competing under the Russian flag?

1984 vibes

Yes.

Apart from the political constraints ... its maybe not really smart what her husband is saying on social media.

I disagree with your take chilleus. I find her husband to be humorous and engaging. He is like a WWE manager-larger than life, bombastic, filled with energy. He does a great job drawing attention to what is largely a niche sport.

The judges have had Andrea and Angela as 1-2 for a couple of year now. Seems as if this is the standard. As long as they compete next year, the Top 2 will remain. Anastasia might be able to grab the #3 spot but should really be a #1 or #2 contender.

She deserved to be there. She might not have affected top three rankings but she would be certainly very visible, so for me this year Ms Olympia was not a world class competition. Quality of every sporting match and value of winning is determined by quality of opponents. Truly victory is determined by who you can beat, not by who somebody manage to take out economically, politically (or otherwise).

LOL. So based on your opinion the recent Olympics were also not a world class competition because the Russians couldn't represent under their flag? ( And rightfully so) She didn’t deserve to be there. The only thing you are right about is that she certainly wouldn't have affected any top placings.

LOL. So based on your opinion the recent Olympics were also not a world class competition because the Russians couldn't represent under their flag? ( And rightfully so) She didn’t deserve to be there. The only thing you are right about is that she certainly wouldn't have affected any top placings.

And you're even asking... :) NO games are world class if they aren't for all best of the world, with equal rights and equal chances for everyone. Elementary stuff. Anastasia deserved to be there, because she won competition that gave her a ticket. When you go to vacation, it also sucks when somebody says... hmm, too bad we don't like you, go away. But she worked hard for that ticket all year! So yeah, I feel sorry about her. Very sorry. While your words give me feeling that you wish her that misery. Truly "fan of female bodybuilders..." Someone just gets it, and has a sense of fair play, can get away from politics and hate. And some people can't. So they just listen and hate those who are thrown in front of them as "proper objects to hate."

It's bad for us as fans that she wasn't allowed. She should be allowed to compete, regardless of her nationality. I don't care if she fully supports Putin, that is not what is being judged at the competition.

And you're even asking... :) NO games are world class if they aren't for all best of the world, with equal rights and equal chances for everyone. Elementary stuff. Anastasia deserved to be there, because she won competition that gave her a ticket. When you go to vacation, it also sucks when somebody says... hmm, too bad we don't like you, go away. But she worked hard for that ticket all year! So yeah, I feel sorry about her. Very sorry. While your words give me feeling that you wish her that misery. Truly "fan of female bodybuilders..." Someone just gets it, and has a sense of fair play, can get away from politics and hate. And some people can't. So they just listen and hate those who are thrown in front of them as "proper objects to hate."

You know, I actually wish her misery, and I don't feel sorry for her at all, you are right. It's about all those innocent people, including many athletes, who will never be able to compete anymore because they paid the ultimate price - their lives fighting against the Russian occupiers. I feel very sorry for them. But I certainly feel no pity for her.

I'm pretty sure she can get a visa and can travel. I'm going to make an assumption based on current FIA and FIM policy.

Being Russian, she's not allowed to compete in internationally-governed sport unless she A) publicly denounces the Russian government and its actions regarding Ukraine, and/or B) had established herself as a "permanent resident" or equivalent of another country. No Russian is going to do option A (the Kamaz Master Sport teams have dominated world rally for several years and have been completely absent from all WR2C races, for example) and I'm pretty sure that she'd have needed to establish option B prior to the hostilities.

Mind you this is an assumption regarding her, but it follows a pattern that I didn't just pull outta my ass.

Were any other Russians competing under the Russian flag?

Natalia Bystrova?

I don't think Anastasia would have made Top 3. Top 5 was a possibility and that is no mean feat on its own. It is a shame for the contest and her personally of course that she was denied the opportunity.

So far, it looks to be about 50/50! My thought is her conditioning would have been good enough to place her in the top three. Her body is so well proportioned that the judges would have been compelled to have her there.

You know, I actually wish her misery, and I don't feel sorry for her at all, you are right. It's about all those innocent people, including many athletes, who will never be able to compete anymore because they paid the ultimate price - their lives fighting against the Russian occupiers. I feel very sorry for them. But I certainly feel no pity for her.

For the past year I've been trying to be more of an observer but every once in awhile someone says something soooo staggering I just have to get off the bench.

So let me get this straight. You are taking out the Russian/ Ukraine war on Anastasia because she's Russian? Blaming her for something she had no part in simply because of her nationality? Since she hasn't endangered any innocent people I'm not sure what to say about your point.

You need to think more....or type less sir.

Yes.

Apart from the political constraints ... its maybe not really smart what her husband is saying on social media.

What do you mean?

The unfortunate situation affecting poor Anastasia (ie. happening to live in a Dictatorship that is based upon corruption) makes her appearing in any World Class Event moot. It's not her fault she was born into the mess that is Russia. Maybe, one day, she will be free to compete.

For the past year I've been trying to be more of an observer but every once in awhile someone says something soooo staggering I just have to get off the bench.

So let me get this straight. You are taking out the Russian/ Ukraine war on Anastasia because she's Russian? Blaming her for something she had no part in simply because of her nationality? Since she hasn't endangered any innocent people I'm not sure what to say about your point.

You need to think more....or type less sir.

Oh my, I guess I should be veeery grateful then, for this high honor of your unusual spread of wisdom because I forced you to get off the comfortable bench :)))

Maybe you should write less quickly and read more slowly. I am not blaming her for the war, but I am saying she is a part of the nation that started the war. And in case you didn’t hear, 102,5% of people according to Russian news voted for the fuhrer who is their current president :) And he authorized this war. So maybe she hasn’t directly endangered any innocent people as you say, but she is still part of the problem. And banning Russian athletes is one of the ways we can fight back without being directly involved in the war. And I fully support that decision and therefore don’t feel sorry for her at all.

Or you would be more that happy to accept German athletes during WWII for example and pretend that nothing is happening?

Since the world happily accepted American athletes during the past 20 years of America's criminal wars, I'd say yes, yes the Russians should be allowed. If you are from the USA or one of its lackey countries you have no grounds to criticize. Zero.

102,5 % of the people.

Should this be funny or what ....