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Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Seriously, have most of you guys even met a trans person? Even once? I live in LA, I got to some seriously queer bars, and even I don’t see them that much. There’s like one at my gym.

They are an extremely small percentage of the population. That's why it's so easy to bully them.

It ain't ok to hate on black or gay people anymore but thank god there's trans people to push around.

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Transphobes crying about the potential inclusion of tran women on this site, but let’s be honest if this were to happen the outrage would last for a month before it all blows over. You’ll still keep coming back to the site because everyone knows you all are too lazy to create your own site that caters to your transphobic view.

Like how difficult is it to click the next button, or not click on an image at all if you don’t like it ? The brain rot this community has sometimes is disgusting.

Jul 23, 2024 - edited Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

"Transphobes." There's that word again. If I don't want this site flooded with pictures of dogs does that make me a zoophobe? Or a caninist? No. And there are plenty of people here who find muscular guys attractive. Do they constantly demand that men get their own gallery? Do they berate and insult people who disagree with them? Do they call people homophobes? No. Why is always the trans that act this way?

You act like a victim while you attack others. You demand sympathy but behave selfishly. You don't care what the community wants or why it was founded. You only care about what you want. So just get your own site. That's all you have to do. Rather than call everyone else "too lazy" to make their own site (they did, by the way, and it's this one), or ranting about the "brain rot" in this community, just go create your own space that caters to your desires.

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Transphobes crying about the potential inclusion of tran women on this site, but let’s be honest if this were to happen the outrage would last for a month before it all blows over. You’ll still keep coming back to the site because everyone knows you all are too lazy to create your own site that caters to your transphobic view.

Like how difficult is it to click the next button, or not click on an image at all if you don’t like it ? The brain rot this community has sometimes is disgusting.

Why does transness need to be forced upon us? This isn't a forum of inclusivity and diversity, its a very specific niche, "muscular" "women". It has 0 to do with "gender identity", which I support individuals rights to present as whichever gender they would like, because how possibly could you even control that? Women can't wear long trousers or have short hair? Of course you can present how you like. But don't dare say "you have to find this attractive!". You talk about create your own site, well then go on lazy bones makes your own trans girls with muscles site if you care that much.

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Transphobes crying about the potential inclusion of tran women on this site, but let’s be honest if this were to happen the outrage would last for a month before it all blows over. You’ll still keep coming back to the site because everyone knows you all are too lazy to create your own site that caters to your transphobic view.

Like how difficult is it to click the next button, or not click on an image at all if you don’t like it ? The brain rot this community has sometimes is disgusting.

Cornball

Chainer
Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Cornball

banned

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

there are 5000 transpersons murdered every hour in America!

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

"Transphobes." There's that word again. If I don't want this site flooded with pictures of dogs does that make me a zoophobe? Or a caninist? No. And there are plenty of people here who find muscular guys attractive. Do they constantly demand that men get their own gallery? Do they berate and insult people who disagree with them? Do they call people homophobes? No. Why is always the trans that act this way?

I don't think that anyone arguing with you is actually trans. I'm definitely not.

You bring up a super interesting point about men, though. If someone is going to be a bodybuilding fan, they're going to see pics of big muscular men in tiny posing suits. Men are the majority of bodybuilding, and it's pretty unavoidable.

I don't see anyone losing their mind over it though. Like if you look at this photo... it doesn't instantly make you gay does it? Do your eyes light on fire? Hopefully not. I think even totally hetero guys can look at Chris Bumstead and appreciate his champion physique for what it is.

I actually think a gallery of top male bodybuilders would be fairly uncontroversial here. He's obviously a man. He's obviously very different from the models on here, even the biggest and most masculine girls. There's enough pure fans of bodybuilding on here who would probably view and comment on pics. You don't have to be gay to appreciate MBBs. Way more straight guys follow male bodybuilding than female bodybuilding.

As others have written, the amount of vitriol against trans women stems from the fact that muscular trans women are, for the most part, totally indistinguishable from the girls on here already. Some guys are terrified to find them attractive. It brings up deep set insecurities, even if the pics are SFW and never feature any real degree of nudity.

There could be a totally basic pic of a buff trans girl in gym clothes and guys will be like "Who is this hottie!?!?" but then it comes out that she was born male and now the same exact picture is deeply horrifying and repellant and the mods have to take it down immediately before a dozen guys have a meltdown.

It's intersting for sure.

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Why do people have a hard time accepting no

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Congrats, with enough makeup, hormones and surgery you can make men somewhat passable as women. Same is true with underaged girls, but if was suspected that that may be the case then many people would be revolted and no longer support a site that allows that sort of thing. Same thing with trans.

Weird flex with the underage comparison, but OK.

I do appreciate seeing those glorious bare feet photos posted multiple times though. No complaints from me.

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink
Deleted by Guzidi90
Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

I don't think that anyone arguing with you is actually trans. I'm definitely not.

You bring up a super interesting point about men, though. If someone is going to be a bodybuilding fan, they're going to see pics of big muscular men in tiny posing suits. Men are the majority of bodybuilding, and it's pretty unavoidable.

I don't see anyone losing their mind over it though. Like if you look at this photo... it doesn't instantly make you gay does it? Do your eyes light on fire? Hopefully not. I think even totally hetero guys can look at Chris Bumstead and appreciate his champion physique for what it is.

I actually think a gallery of top male bodybuilders would be fairly uncontroversial here. He's obviously a man. He's obviously very different from the models on here, even the biggest and most masculine girls. There's enough pure fans of bodybuilding on here who would probably view and comment on pics. You don't have to be gay to appreciate MBBs. Way more straight guys follow male bodybuilding than female bodybuilding.

As others have written, the amount of vitriol against trans women stems from the fact that muscular trans women are, for the most part, totally indistinguishable from the girls on here already. Some guys are terrified to find them attractive. It brings up deep set insecurities, even if the pics are SFW and never feature any real degree of nudity.

There could be a totally basic pic of a buff trans girl in gym clothes and guys will be like "Who is this hottie!?!?" but then it comes out that she was born male and now the same exact picture is deeply horrifying and repellant and the mods have to take it down immediately before a dozen guys have a meltdown.

It's intersting for sure.

That is a lot of words to say "I don't respect your boundaries but you MUST respect mine".

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink
Deleted by pong
Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Which of these are trans?

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Guys, a few things:

1) I'm not trans. I'm a bisexual male bodybuilder. I'm actually pretty masculine.. well at least as masculine as a bodybuilder can be. It is kind of a ridiculous beauty pageant of sorts.

2) I'm not generally attracted to trans people. I'm not part of an "agenda." I just think that they deserve equal rights and I hate how much they're demonized for low-information voter ragebait

3) I'm fine with trans women having a separate and distinct place on GWM. I have argued against that in the past, but honestly, seeing lots of posts from the mods has made it clear that this is a sensible thing.

I'll say that again: since GWM is an erotic site for males, it makes sense to divide the categories. Like other erotic sites do. The trans category is pretty lousy in comparison but TBF, there's not many trans muscle women (I think), so it's not really worth the effort to upgrade it. I get that.

4) You're not a bad person or a transphobe if trans people are not your sexual preference. But you are a bad person and a transphobe if you're denying their humanity and equal rights, and you refuse to respect them on a basic level.

5) I'm so invested in this thread because it's interesting. Trans people are a useful political pawn because they inspire such deep-rooted discomfort and contempt in some people. I don't personally get it.. I could not GAF what people do with their own lives, and if someone wants a different name or pronoun with me, it doesn't affect me in the least. But it's fascinating to see the over the top reactions of some commenters.

6) Did I mention that there already are like a dozen buff trans women on this site and you may very well have looked at their pics? Gee I hope that you guys can still get to sleep tonight!

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

No one is denying anyone's "humanity" or "rights." Stop acting like anyone is being victimized here.

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Congrats, with enough makeup, hormones and surgery you can make men somewhat passable as women. Same is true with underaged girls, but if was suspected that that may be the case then many people would be revolted and no longer support a site that allows that sort of thing.

This does get at what I said earlier, where the most acute fear/panic is not that someone will find transwomen disgusting but that they will find them attractive.

In the case of underaged girls, it's more a matter of legality and consent. A non-trivial number of people descend into self-loathing for being attracted to the same sex (or women with muscles). Attraction triggers are irrational, and that also goes for disgust. Some organisms love the taste and smell of feces. Is that "gross"? From a moral and environmental perspective, it would be way, way better if feces made our mouths water (as opposed to cooked body parts).

Jul 23, 2024 - edited Jul 24, 2024 by Chainer - permalink

Why does transness need to be forced upon us? This isn't a forum of inclusivity and diversity, its a very specific niche, "muscular" "women". It has 0 to do with "gender identity", which I support individuals rights to present as whichever gender they would like, because how possibly could you even control that? Women can't wear long trousers or have short hair? Of course you can present how you like. But don't dare say "you have to find this attractive!". You talk about create your own site, well then go on lazy bones makes your own trans girls with muscles site if you care that much.

L A Z Y B O N E S

BANana - Chainer

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Why do people have a hard time accepting no

Because they’re insecure about being attracted to biological men, aka gay. Pure cope

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

There could be a totally basic pic of a buff trans girl in gym clothes and guys will be like "Who is this hottie!?!?" but then it comes out that she was born male and now the same exact picture is deeply horrifying and repellant and the mods have to take it down immediately before a dozen guys have a meltdown.

Like I stated previously, this scenario is why I'd like trans to be allowed. It's fucking hillarious when it happens on instagram etc. "I jerked off to a man? Ohh naaaooooooooooooooo!"

Don't have to alter any existing site rules regarding feminine criteria.

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

LOL I'm bi and I have zero interest in any trans of any kind. It's not my preference, and as has been overwhelmingly clear, it's not most people's either.

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Because they’re insecure about being attracted to biological men, aka gay. Pure cope

The people who wants trans girls on here can't accept no

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

LOL I'm bi and I have zero interest in any trans of any kind. It's not my preference, and as has been overwhelmingly clear, it's not most people's either.

You're missing the point my guy. You wouldn't even know.

Jul 23, 2024 - permalink

Because they’re insecure about being attracted to biological men, aka gay. Pure cope

Not me bro. I'm super attracted to biological men, and have slept with a ton of them.

I'm picky though.. they need to be really buff and fairly hairless. Fat guys and dad bods and average joes can apply elsewhere.

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