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Lots of threads are designed to foster argument.. I think that's kind of the nature of chat forums and social media, especially these days. At least this isn't a whole thread with guys bitching about tattoos.
I'm not a fan of comparing present day black and trans people (like Dave Chappelle is fond of doing) because that ignores the fact that lots of folks are both black AND trans.
But you can see parallels to the historic Jim Crow attitudes towards black people and present-day right wing attitudes towards trans people. And - honestly - present-day right wing attitudes towards black people which are simply not said out loud. At least for now.
The same people who advocate to ban trans people from bathrooms now would have been totally cool with banning black people from white bathrooms in the 1950s. Quite a lot of them would be totally cool bringing those laws back.
I agree that online sites are not intrinsically required to include everyone. I don't have a problem with a site that's all explicitly all black girls or asian girls or white girls or - even - trans girls or cis girls.
But this site purports to be inclusive of all girls. I'm an active member of this site and this community. And if I recall correctly, the decision was not presented as final, so I advocate for a reevaluation of this when there's a related discussion. Like now.
And often times the same dudes push back with the same arguments. It's fine. FWIW, I've never blocked any other users here. I'm pretty confident that I'll end up in the right side of history with this, but I don't expect everyone to agree with me.
But this site purports to be inclusive of all girls. I'm an active member of this site and this community. And if I recall correctly, the decision was not presented as final, so I advocate for a reevaluation of this when there's a related discussion. Like now.
it doesn't, because transwomen are not allowed on the mainsite, not sure where you're getting this idea from.
the "non final" decision wound up being forum placement rather than outright removal. i blieve the decision also predates your joining the site so you might have missed the original discussion.
it doesn't, because transwomen are not allowed on the mainsite, not sure where you're getting this idea from.
the "non final" decision wound up being forum placement rather than outright removal. i blieve the decision also predates your joining the site so you might have missed the original discussion.
I think that I joined in 2020.. pretty sure the whole banning trans people to the bowels of the forums happened in 2021.
The About section says "This site is a discussion forum and an archive of images and videos of muscular women."
So it comes down to: are trans women... women? This is one of the biggest debates of our time. Doctors and science says yes. Conservatives and certain religions say no. The p0rn industry isn't weighing in either way, but its decided that trans women are hot because trans content is insanely popular and it sure isn't just gay guys and closeted dudes watching it.
For GWM.. that comes down to the admins and the moderators I guess.
Given the vast scope of this site, I think that more feminine humans with awesome muscles and less angry guys with too much time on their hands would be an improvement.
So it comes down to: are trans women... women? This is one of the biggest debates of our time. Doctors and science says yes.
Now that's a stretch. Doctors who are playing politics for trans inclusion will certainly say yes, but there's no fooling science no matter how much surgical or hormonal manipulation is done. If a trans woman can mimic a biological woman with no one the wiser, then good on them; however, if the truth that they are a trans woman comes out, then the honeymoon is over for a lot of viewers who prefer to admire or idolize factual women. The trans person may have their respect for their mimicry game, but it's not the same.
And I do recognize that the things said about trans people in 2024 are pretty similar to the things said about black people in 1964. So I advocate for them to be included.
Big, big "whoa" there - black people wanted to be treated as fellow humans and citizens. Transwomen want to be perceived as women. If you want to draw parallels, I'd bring up transracial people like Rachel Dolezal.
And I understand the idea of erotic projection.
Even though it’s just a picture (a clothed, fairly SFW pic at that), certain guys will be distressed to find out that they pleasured themselves to the idea of a person who was born male.
I can empathize a bit. I don’t like when online influencers are always complaining or acting like over compensating “pick me” girls. I’ve had a few major “yuck!” moments when a fantasy FBB ends up being like this (cough, Kristina Moser)
It sucks. But I move on. Other guys don’t care. Other guys like them. Luckily there’s a million other options for my fapping. I’m not complaining or reporting or trying to get them taken down.
I guess I’d like to see buff trans women here and for the guys who don’t like them to simply move on. I don’t understand why that’s so hard to do.
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> > So, you are telling me that the presence or not on the main site of a given born female with muscles is not decided by biology (female genitalia, beard or not), but by the fact they are trying to "present as man", I.e. the self-perception and self-expression they have of themselves?....well, I am of course happy about the consideration the site has towards the self-definition of trans men. A pity the same consideration doesn't apply towards trans women... > > (Or, in other terms: self definition of trans women is not enough to be featured on the main site, but the same self definition of trans men is enough to not be featured on the main site...)
Sometimes two things can be true, even if they are technically two sides of the same coin, or if they seem counter to each other.
And sometimes in life you will get “no” as an answer, as the admin and mods have given on this repeatedly. Another not bad word is “boundaries”. GWM has its own set boundaries—which btw as you know since post there often, include a place for trans postings that probably gets among the least moderation on this site, which actually is a little remarkable considering the amount of LCD activity this site can get at times.
Yes, of course. So, we agree at least it is a matter of arbitrary rules, because if the biology matters, it has to matter always. Then, if you call this policy boundaries, and I call it hypochrisy, it is just matter of pov. As someone said"go and do your own site" . Well, maybe the time has come... And, people talk about a "vast majority". The only poll about transwomen on the main site is still up. And....the majority said yes.
The hilarious thing is that there's already at least a half dozen trans women on this site and they look just like the other girls.
Shout out to everyone who DM'd me their links. Was fascinating and nice to see.
It doesn't harm anyone or kill anyone or take away from other women or make anyone gay to simply look at and admire their physiques. They're up their looking strong, beautiful, and feminine, and everyone bitching on this thread is none the wiser. It's uplifting to think about.
The hilarious thing is that there's already at least a half dozen trans women on this site and they look just like the other girls.
Much more hilarious to me reading the shining comments beneath their pics and the continous link drops of them in chat by some of the fiercest "female-born-purity" wardens on here...
They look like other girls? Lmfao no they do not. But if you want to pretend, that's okay. Don't expect others to believe your nonsense
lol the literally do. That’s why their photos are on this site, despite trans women being technically banned from the main galleries.
They look beautiful and strong and fit in perfectly with the other girls and no one cares.
Ah but see, naming them would get them banned and I'm not here to out anyone.
A few of them have no interaction at all. One of them has a ton of positive comments, which is nice to see.
And this isn't a "gotcha." The guys commenting on her photos aren't dating her or meeting her. She's pretty and muscular, they're acknowledging that, and it's simply not a big deal. It can be that easy.
Man some of y'all are gay pretending not to lol
I'm bisexual and I've had sex with quite a few literal men so this isn't the flex comment that you intended. I'm also personally not attracted to trans women, but that's my preference. I still think that they belong here, and I'm able to appreciate their fitness and bodybuilding achievements without necessarily making a sex object out of them. There's plenty of other girls (ahem Kristina Nicole) who I can make a sex object of, because they're literally perfect.
But to make a point... you know how straight guys like a whole spectrum of women? Like you're obviously into muscular girls (because you're here) but chances are your partner isn't like that. She's probably standard or skinny or curvy. And even though muscle girls are a specific turn on, you'd sleep with all sorts of different women if given the opportunity. Amirite?
So if you're going to be properly "gay," you gotta like a bunch of different men. While I'll accept that liking trans women is a little "heteroflexible," someone who's really gay is gonna find a whole wide spectrum of men attractive. They'll have preferences, but they're still pretty open to sleeping with all sorts of different guys. Because they're gay and attracted to men and masculinity.
And I'll tell you... actual gay men are not into trans women. Like at all. Talk to some of them. Go on reddit if you don't believe me. They could care less what genitals a trans woman has or doesn't have. The feminine presentation and identity is a complete turn off to them.
They look like other girls? Lmfao no they do not. But if you want to pretend, that's okay. Don't expect others to believe your nonsense
Judging by how many no trans paladins actually comments pics of postop transwomen on the main site, they look exactly that. I don't want you to believe nothing, just report facts, nonsense is all yours. You are howling at a moon that has long gone, sorry.
Name them.
For what? Giving transphobes easy people to point at? Not in a thousand years. And, spoiler, I saw a pair of NON op trans girls too in the main site. These, you can guess if you look carefully. For the post-ops, now the only way you have to point them out is via a deep gynecological exam, or a dna test.
https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/2225854/
Ok I will point out ONLY this girl because we are social friends and I know she identifies as a trans woman without hiding nothing, and she probably herself wouldn't be featured on a site that doesn't want her as she self-determines. Now. This girl is Dion Monteleone, and has 4 pics uploaded on the main site, with tens of favourites each, an average, if not above average, result compared to the average girl featured here. She is, a NON op transwoman (I.e. she still has her dick), as you easily can check on her socials. Now, if a girl that still has more "masculine" facial features and overall complexion (check the other pics) than all others trans women on the main site (not talking about the bulge in her pants she proudly shows on her socials) has been featured for months on the main site without been spotting as the trans girl she is, how the hell do you pretend to point out the post-op (I.e. now owing a vagina) trans women featured on the main site, that in most case are FAR more feminine than the average roided female-born fbb? You simply can't.
For what? Giving transphobes easy people to point at? Not in a thousand years. And, spoiler, I saw a pair of NON op trans girls too in the main site. These, you can guess if you look carefully. For the post-ops, now the only way you have to point them out is via a deep gynecological exam, or a dna test.
I wasn't talking to you, I was calling out the "we can always tell crowd" for their BS.
https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/2225854/
Ok I will point out ONLY this girl because we are social friends and I know she identifies as a trans woman without hiding nothing, and she probably herself wouldn't be featured on a site that doesn't want her as she self-determines. Now. This girl is Dion Monteleone, and has 4 pics uploaded on the main site, with tens of favourites each, an average, if not above average, result compared to the average girl featured here. She is, a NON op transwoman (I.e. she still has her dick), as you easily can check on her socials. Now, if a girl that still has more "masculine" facial features and overall complexion (check the other pics) than all others trans women on the main site (not talking about the bulge in her pants she proudly shows on her socials) has been featured for months on the main site without been spotting as the trans girl she is, how the hell do you pretend to point out the post-op (I.e. now owing a vagina) trans women featured on the main site, that in most case are FAR more feminine than the average roided female-born fbb? You simply can't.
She looks great. Oh look she has photos on here and the whole world didn't end. Literally no one was harmed by this.
If anyone here thinks that a gay man is going to be into this person... then you have never met a gay man before.
I'll leave the haters on this thread to sit back and pretend that she doesn't fit in perfectly with all of the other girls. And then promptly go crying to the mods to have the pics removed.
Many agree, but for different reasons.