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> > we have allowed photos up to (at least i think so) people started to find out about their transition. but i can only really think of samara buckler, who disappeared for over a year before resurfacing as Sam i think. those older photos are still up pre-transition. > > but ya i can't really think of anyone else. and those photos are several years old now.
Yes, but I am also referring to trans men that not completed their transition (I.e. they still have female genitalia even if they show male secondary characters such as beards) and are actually developing muscles. Am I correct?
growing a beard "lacks femininity" so no. if they're trying to present as man, they would be removed.
but i don't really know how often we're informed of something like that from the perspective of someone who has been posted here regularly
Pretty sure the solution will be to simply go with the opinion of the loudest minority on here.
So if over a dozen guys here are offended by a non-binary FBB, they'll bitch and moan about it and post so many repetitive and exhaustive bigoted tropes, that the mods will delete her (or their) images. Regardless of what the model in question wants. Or the rest of the community.
If the FBB is really attractive though (like Cleo Mercury, who was transmasculine and is now non-binary), said minority of angry dudes will simply let it slide, and the photos will stay. Attractiveness has a way of mitigating bigotry.
Not the correct way to do things by any stretch, but pretty sure that this will be the policy. I'd love to have more GirlsWithMuscle, but instead we seem to occasionally prioritize ChudsWithOpinions.
growing a beard "lacks femininity" so no. if they're trying to present as man, they would be removed.
but i don't really know how often we're informed of something like that from the perspective of someone who has been posted here regularly
So, you are telling me that the presence or not on the main site of a given born female with muscles is not decided by biology (female genitalia, beard or not), but by the fact they are trying to "present as man", I.e. the self-perception and self-expression they have of themselves?....well, I am of course happy about the consideration the site has towards the self-definition of trans men. A pity the same consideration doesn't apply towards trans women...
(Or, in other terms: self definition of trans women is not enough to be featured on the main site, but the same self definition of trans men is enough to not be featured on the main site...)
The funniest thing about this discussion is how far down the rabbit hole you can go with who should be shown on the site.
I can't even count how many times I see comments like "That looks like a man" under a photo of a female bodybuilder that is clearly a woman.
So they should be kicked out too???
I can encourage tolerance of adults with different perspectives (most perspectives, at least) but that doesn't mean I'm in favor of mandated acceptance. That's how you wind up with biological males in female sports, or adults with an unhealthy interest in prepubescent children's sexualities and self-identities getting to pursue those interests in schools.
And that's why I'll join the gate keepers in saying that GWM should cater to biological females regardless if they're "non-binary".
I wasn't saying that the site should force acceptance but that it should be by design because of the community and by the commonality of the peculiar interest that we share. A non mainstream desire towards women that don't fit the boxes of standard role models depicted in normal society. Basically what non binary is!
Also you went from non binary to child predators? .... Nice fallacy of condemnation by association
What the fuck lmao
> "Non-binary" is the participation trophy of the LGB+++ community. > > Is the Girl with Muscle actually a biological female? Does she want her pictures posted on the site or not? That's the long and short of it.
I agree Bat22. This is a website dedicated to Women (Girls - Females of the Human Species) with muscle. Those that are essentially confused about their sexuality / identity (usually due to WWW influences) should be excised until they figure out what they are (and this all depends upon where the current Fad / Fashion takes them).
As always, Time will tell. This is, of course, a terribly unpopular opinion, but it has to be said.
I agree 100%...
I think that because of hormone replacement technology people think they can change gender now. but with modern technology we still can't properly change someone gender. so maybe in the distant future we find ways to change someone chromosomes and make their entire body different. but with modern technology we just try to compromise with churgery (i don't care how it's spelled) and hormones. so it's more advanced than what existed in the past and from a distance you can't tell that they are Trans. but when you look close it's clear
So, you are telling me that the presence or not on the main site of a given born female with muscles is not decided by biology (female genitalia, beard or not), but by the fact they are trying to "present as man", I.e. the self-perception and self-expression they have of themselves?....well, I am of course happy about the consideration the site has towards the self-definition of trans men. A pity the same consideration doesn't apply towards trans women...
(Or, in other terms: self definition of trans women is not enough to be featured on the main site, but the same self definition of trans men is enough to not be featured on the main site...)
Sometimes two things can be true, even if they are technically two sides of the same coin, or if they seem counter to each other.
And sometimes in life you will get “no” as an answer, as the admin and mods have given on this repeatedly. Another not bad word is “boundaries”. GWM has its own set boundaries—which btw as you know since post there often, include a place for trans postings that probably gets among the least moderation on this site, which actually is a little remarkable considering the amount of LCD activity this site can get at times.
FEMALE ONLY If said female "identifies" as non binary, ok fine, whatever, people's mental health issues aren't the subject of this site.
Bro.
I love bodybuilding, I’ve been a bodybuilder for over a decade, and I struggle to think of a single sport or hobby that has MORE mental health issues and mood-altering drug use than bodybuilding.
An entire pride parade could never hope to compete with the body dysmorphia at the Olympia.
This beautiful person is non-binary.
They would tell that to anyone asking. They were on a reality show which specifically highlighted trans and non-binary fetish content creators.
You gonna kick them off? Why or why not?
This beautiful person is non-binary.
They would tell that to anyone asking. They were on a reality show which specifically highlighted trans and non-binary fetish content creators.
You gonna kick them off? Why or why not?
"Non-binary" by opinion. Presumably female by biology, which IMO is the appraisal that wins out to Cleo's benefit of exposure on Girls with Muscle even if I find the they/them self-identification laughable.
Def sounds like a stage name but I also don’t know how difficult it is to legally change your name in the US.
I had an issue with my SS number and it was resolved fairly quickly but that was birth date and not my name.
Anyways, in the end it comes down to categories and categorizing things. And we, humans, love doing that shit.
The original intention of this site when none of this was part of regular discourse would be called “female athletes presenting/on record as women”
Cleo Mercury has had a bunch of different names. I’ve been following them for years… I find them impossibly hot, and trust me, I’ve watched all of their changes.
The reality show is called “Hot Haus” on Out TV.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/meet-hotties-hot-h...
And… as someone who loves femboys (I’m bi), Cleo’s voice and attitude is FAR more Femboy than cisgender girl.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrD_sPSOsM_/?i...
I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything here, I know that’s a losing battle. I think that Cleo should obviously be included on this site.
If they grew a small moustache and cut their hair super short tho… I wonder if that would change things? They’d still be the same person inside with the same genitals and the same XX chromosomes.
And it’s not a big stretch to imagine this… they were a trans male “he/him” when I first started following a few years back and definitely had a small moustache. Was hot.
Also… question for the red-blooded 100% heterosexuals here… is it a little gay to find Cleo attractive? Bear in mind that they identified as male for years, they act in objectively masculine ways, and they will be the first to tell you that their gender is NOT female.
There is a Cleo Mercury who is not, but need to verify if these are the same person.
From Yahoo: ‘90 Day Fiance’ Star Cleo Is a Trans Rights Activist on Social Media! Inside Her Journey
Cleo Mercury is the first transgender woman to star on 90 Day Fiance: Before The 90 Days. She is also autistic and a trans rights activist who shares her journey on social media.
Later in the text:
“At birth I was assigned male. However, I identify as a transgender woman,” she explained during her debut episode. “Growing up, I always related more to my female peers.”
The Cleo Mercury of the article, published a bit less than a year ago, is neither muscular nor has tattoos on the neck area. Presumably that's not anyone's real name, but more like some kind of a stage name.
Edit:
99.9 % are not the same person. This is a Slavic Korean rugby player living in Kentucky, the openly trans is Italian living in GB.
they are not the same but honestly kind of hilarious that they presumably picked the same name
Also… question for the red-blooded 100% heterosexuals here… is it a little gay to find Cleo attractive? Bear in mind that they identified as male for years, they act in objectively masculine ways, and they will be the first to tell you that their gender is NOT female.
People can tell me what they want of their perceived genders, it doesn't mean I'm obliged to agree. Biological gender or sex is what carries more weight.
In terms of heterosexuality versus homosexuality, it isn't gay when the attraction / relationship is with someone of the opposite sex. A dude who likes cooking or the color pink is acting against (or possibly according to) gender stereotypes; it doesn't change their sex that a woman may find appealing regardless.
Same can be said of Girls with Muscle. Many of us have preferences where a FBB crosses the line between attractive and unattractive. We can acknowledge that they become too masculine in appearance without disavowing that they are biological women. And it doesn't have to be extreme cases like in the VIRILIZATION thread. Someone like Rachel McLish, Cory Everson, Yaxeni Oriquen, or Alina Popa in her prime may have faced ridicule as being unfeminine; it doesn't mean that she stopped being a woman or was considered unattractive by all men who have a thing for women with muscles.
Thanks for the reply, this is honestly fascinating for me.
Not too many pics from their former transmale phase, but this one is still on Instagram. They always had an awesome sense of humor.
Does biological sex still work for you here? I think he was going by the name "Ken" at the time, definitely had impressively hairy legs for an Asian person.
Same human. Same genitals. Simply a different gender presentation and look. But that perceived gender difference is powerful, isn't it? I feel like the dude in this pic is far more likely to appeal to a gay male than a straight male, despite their chromosomes. Present day Cleo just has longer hair, lots of makeup, and (I think) a lighter dose of T injections.
This person was presenting male, with a male name, a fairly male sounding voice, male musculature, distinctly male mannerisms (although kind of a Hot Topic, emo-male), and stereotypically male clothing. If someone ignored all that and was like "I'm into him and still totally 100% straight because dude has a vagina," well... I'd be surprised by that assertion. But happy to hear other peoples' feelings on it.
Cleo Mercury has had a bunch of different names. I’ve been following them for years… I find them impossibly hot, and trust me, I’ve watched all of their changes.
The reality show is called “Hot Haus” on Out TV.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/meet-hotties-hot-h...
And… as someone who loves femboys (I’m bi), Cleo’s voice and attitude is FAR more Femboy than cisgender girl.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrD_sPSOsM_/?i...
I’m not trying to convince anyone of anything here, I know that’s a losing battle. I think that Cleo should obviously be included on this site.
If they grew a small moustache and cut their hair super short tho… I wonder if that would change things? They’d still be the same person inside with the same genitals and the same XX chromosomes.
And it’s not a big stretch to imagine this… they were a trans male “he/him” when I first started following a few years back and definitely had a small moustache. Was hot.
Also… question for the red-blooded 100% heterosexuals here… is it a little gay to find Cleo attractive? Bear in mind that they identified as male for years, they act in objectively masculine ways, and they will be the first to tell you that their gender is NOT female.
ok lemme try to lay out my logic here:
cleo was assigned female and was an attractive woman. then decided at some point to start transitioning (at the very least, test and then top surgery based on a few dozen scrolls). then at some point i guess stopped transitoining, of course with the 'side effects" of tha double mastectomy and a presumably dramatic voice change, and now, though identifies as non-binary, presents as feminine because PRESUMABLY it makes bank on the various sites you can sign up on to watch them do porn.
in my mind although the period happened Cleo is still a female consciously presenting as feminine in the photos i'm seeing posted to this site even if they identify as non-binary.
although personally, as physically attractive as they are, they sound like they've been smoking for 60 years.
Thanks for the reply, this is honestly fascinating for me.
Not too many pics from their former transmale phase, but this one is still on Instagram. They always had an awesome sense of humor.
Does biological sex still work for you here? I think he was going by the name "Ken" at the time, definitely had impressively hairy legs for an Asian person.
Same human. Same genitals. Simply a different gender presentation and look. But that perceived gender difference is powerful, isn't it? I feel like the dude in this pic is more likely to appeal to a gay male than a straight male, despite their chromosomes. Present day Cleo just has longer hair, lots of makeup, and (I think) a lighter dose of T injections.
If I had entered into a relationship with Ken, then it would have been a heterosexual relationship between biological male and female participants. But that relationship would not have happened because, while I consider Ken to still be female regardless of the gender gymnastics, the attractiveness just isn't there for me same as with morbidly obese or anorexic girls.
although personally, as physically attractive as they are, they sound like they've been smoking for 60 years.
LOL you're right about the voice! They sound like a femboy Stevie Nicks and I'm so here for that.
BTW.. Cleo has an awesome onlyfans for anyone inclined to join and they manage it themselves. I've been subscribed for a long time.
If I had entered into a relationship with Ken, then it would have been a heterosexual relationship between biological male and female participants. But that relationship would not have happened because, while I consider Ken to still be female regardless of the gender gymnastics, the attractiveness just isn't there for me same as with morbidly obese or anorexic girls.
Gotcha. I'm more interested in how you quantify attraction, not necessarily relationships. After all, the vast majority of us will sadly never be in a relationship with any of the women on this site. But we can be aroused by their images and videos.
Would you still maintain that being attracted to Ken is "heterosexual"..
But being attracted to Daisy Taylor (trans adult address, born male, with male genitals) is "homosexual:"
Gotcha. I'm more interested in how you quantify attraction, not necessarily relationships. After all, the vast majority of us will sadly never be in a relationship with any of the women on this site. But we can be aroused by their images and videos.
Would you still maintain that being attracted to Ken is "heterosexual"..
But being attracted to Daisy Taylor (trans adult address, born male, with male genitals) is "homosexual:"
I wasn't talking about attraction. You brought up biological sex "working for" me and I explained how it can still work for hetero- or homosexual couples regardless of how someone identifies or appears.
Daisy Taylor may be very attractive by trans standards, but being a biological male is going to make Daisy a no-fly zone for those seeking a hetero partner.
I can encourage tolerance of adults with different perspectives (most perspectives, at least) but that doesn't mean I'm in favor of mandated acceptance. That's how you wind up with biological males in female sports, or adults with an unhealthy interest in prepubescent children's sexualities and self-identities getting to pursue those interests in schools.
And that's why I'll join the gate keepers in saying that GWM should cater to biological females regardless if they're "non-binary".