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I feel like for now they should be hidden from the main page but findable, just like e.g girls who are suspected of morphing are. In the future I could see this becoming an option/preference, i.e you choose whether you're interested in nonbinary people as well as girls
Personally I have no interest in people who currently have or had male genitalia at some point in their life, however they now identify. But I can still find people with female genitalia attractive, even if they no longer identify as female. If this site were to include people who have or had male genitalia then I would hope it would be in a separate section, if not it would diminish my interest in this site, as I'm not particularly interested in the transgender world.
The bodybuilder in the first post is clearly male even if they don't identify as such. They should be in a separate section. I have no interest in transgender people with muscle. It can be a complex area. I lean towards the gender critical stance. I have no issues with how someone wants to identify, but sex is biological and people who have male genitals should not be allowed in female only spaces. There are too many male predators out there willing to exploit all of this transgender stuff to prey on people (women) who are physically weaker than them.
Personally I have no interest in people who currently have or had male genitalia at some point in their life, however they now identify. But I can still find people with female genitalia attractive, even if they no longer identify as female. If this site were to include people who have or had male genitalia then I would hope it would be in a separate section, if not it would diminish my interest in this site, as I'm not particularly interested in the transgender world.
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Whatever you think of transgender/nonbinary people isn't really my concern. What we ought to be discussing is if nonbinary persons should be on the site, and how.
As I apparently did not make clear enough, nonbinary people are neither men nor women. But we cannot ignore the fact that some people have uploaded and favourited Feng Xie's videos on Girlswithmuscle.com. Perhaps this is under the false impression that Feng is female, perhaps it is just because they're largely femme presenting. Either way there is likely to be other nonbinary people being uploaded to this site in the future, and that some people will be interested in seeing them.
I didn't reveal my own opinion initially because I wanted to leave the discussion open, however I'll post it now. The biggest problem with posting nonbinary people to this site is, again, they are not female. Rather than judge every individual if they're feminine enough to be a "Girl with Muscle" I think we ought to create a seperate space for them as has been done for trans women.
This site is ultimately called Girlswithmuscle, not Femininepeoplewithmuscle. Masculine/virilisied/butch women are all (rightly!) uploaded to the site because they still identify as women. Conversely, a nonbinary person, no matter how femminine, no matter what birth gender, no matter what genitalia, is still not a woman. That's not me making a political statement, that's just how being nonbinary works.
The central contradiction is that people are uploading and showing interest in these types of people, but they are not girls. The question then is should they be on the site at all, and if so, how?
Ugh, this is such a stupid debate to even have. There’s really no reason to filter out or deny anyone who’s in the least bit female presenting. 1. You can’t see any of the model’s genitalia on this site. So what’s underneath doesn’t matter. 2. Many of the women on this sight use drugs that alter their body chemistry in such a way that it blurs the lines between masculine and feminine. 3. We’re all capable of skipping past an image that doesn’t appeal to us for any number of reasons. The sight doesn’t censor anyone with fake boobs, skin color, weight, tattoos, whatever. All of you are here just to look at pictures of people you find attractive. That’s basically the end of the transaction. If you’re into a muscular body and you can’t see what’s under the hood, what does it matter? You think the devil’s gonna get you because you unknowingly blew your load looking at someone with a wiener?!?
I say leave it alone. Let the moderators decide for themselves if an image is acceptable for the sight. It’s up to them to maintain their user interest.
While this site is called girls with muscle, I think the meaning of it practically means non-men with muscle. So I think it’s fine, it’s not hurting anyone.
This obviously comes up from time to time and maybe other mods will weigh in on this but personally:
I’m inclined to post females only on this site
I’m inclined to post females identifying as women up until the point that they make a declaration that they no longer identify as women. This hasn’t happen TOO much but it will likely have one instance soon as I know of one bodybuilder who is mid transition but has a head on her shoulders and isn’t going to continue on until she has retired from competing. At which point I assume she’d continue to grow facial hair and go back on medicated test
I am incline to post females on the site until there is a lack of femininity even if they still identify as women. Paige dumars is a good example although I personally haven’t done any modding on her posts. She’s had a very intentional direction to her look for years and doesn’t want to present feminine. But in general that’s why we have the “lacks femininity” delete button. It doesn’t get used too often
I am inclined to delete posts of cross dressers or hobbyists with alts that are male. We’ve had one or two of these.
I am inclined to move trans women postings to the forums. I don’t go over there too much. It I poke in from time to time and it seems like it’s pretty stable? Idk maybe someone with a little more history can say if there’s been any shenanigans.
I am not sure where NBs fall yet. I have no idea about this person—the link actually is broken, and I’m not sure if it’s because of a typo error or the account is closed, but I can’t definitively glean anything from the posts on this site but the build is giving male. Since it’s the Chinese corner of TikTok it’s very possible it was removed by the CCP if indeed the page was taken down
IMHO Trans girls are girls. Non-binary people... well who knows, they don't seem to know either.
I like how OP considers his opinion a fact but any other as just an opinion as if he has the authority on what is and what is not a female or male. Identity is a social thing and it is a fact that people can identify the sex of a nonbinary identifying person with agenda breaking levels of accuracy because it is in our genetic code to do so. I am non inary buy i have a shlong and testis and my genetic is male. How can I say then that I am not a male?
I agree with fp909's post above. As for Feng Xie, is one of the following true:
If neither of these is the case, I don't see why the images couldn't stay. Also, TBH I'm s a bit surprised that either would be true, given that my impression of China is that either of these would be frowned upon to the point that you wouldn't want to be public about it on your social media. Then again, I'm not exactly well-versed in Chinese politics/culture.
Feng Xie (Douyin ID: 80353188056 [https://www.douyin.com/user/MS4wLjABAAAAlw462...]
https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/2275762/ https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/2276144/ https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/2276156/
People on both Douyin and this site seem to be confused by their gender, but as you can see Feng's profile picture has the nonbinary flag (yellow, white, purple, black).
As I commented on the first video: "Nonbinary people, regardless of presentation or birth gender aren't women but whoever this is does seem to be more femme leaning."
Should muscular "enbies" be allowed on the site? Should they have a seperate section like trans women? How feminine do they have to be for Girlswithmuscle.com? I hope to hear some of your thoughts.
P.S Feng Xie is the only nonbinary person on the site I have seen so far but maybe this should be a thread for any others uploaded here.