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zarklephaser4:
Well. My only intention was to make a point about masochism.
You may not have expected your joke to go off in this direction, but in the end, it elicited a very good response. Well said.
zarklephaser4:
I did not mean at all to touch upon what Descartes really said or believed. It was just a joke.
Yes, I understood your joke. Regardless, I made an aside comment that became a larger tangent.
If you're going to misquote Descartes, which is the norm, you risk someone snidely raising their index finger and interrupting with "Actually!! ...". That person is me. Lol
zarklephaser4:
In the worst case he didn't say anything meaningful or believe in anything workable or coherent.
The majority of 5/6th's (~83%) of Decartes' Discourse On Method is one of the all time, most celebrated and revered works of philosophy. I'd say that qualifies as "meaningful", "workable", and "coherent".
Don’t have much to engage with on this topic yet, other than inserting some facts to correct what appeared to be some ongoing misconceptions.
Descartes was not an atheist, much of his fundamental work addressed questions about the context of humans, their imperfections, relationships to nature and perfection, and the concept of a perfect God.
Also, Descartes was quite an influential mathematician, and his exploration of ideas was crucial to the dissemination and development of Cartesian geometry in western academe.
In all seriousness, given your past exploratory writings, I truly thought you would be familiar with this topic.
As a general recommendation, do look into epistemology.
Descartes certainly believed that one’s own senses could not always be trusted to determine what is real or rational. In the process of attempting to discover fundamental truth, he concluded his perception that he exists must be true, because he is capable of thinking so.
As for your Descartes request, voila: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesianism
I think it's highly unlikely Descartes was an atheist. His entire philosophy is based on the existence of the ego (cogito ergo sum) and the subsequent ontological proof of God. Saying that the ontological argument was just an appeasement is very cynical unless in some letter or some note he says something very explicit.
Discussion on the nature of God was of course a subject open to argument, so if he doesn't make mention of God as often as other scholars of the time, this would imply he believes in a God that is less involved in the day to day working of the cosmos. Saying that God created the universe and the laws of nature (deism as opposed to theism) is different yet not that far from what many theologians believe, even though they may call such a belief heresy. I think calling Descartes a Deist, who had a unique conception on the nature of God, is more appropriate, especially because very few if any intellectuals of the time doubted the existence of God. People, even revolutionary philosophers, don't generally stray so far from the believes of their time. If they do, there should be ample evidence for this. If there is no good evidence, you shouldn't jump to a conclusion that fast.
As for your Descartes request, voila: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartesianism
This actually looks like what I've believed about his thought for years now.
Oh my goodness! I had no idea that such high-brow discussions occured on this website.
would you expect anything less? the greatest minds assemble here and they have excellent taste in females i might add
would you expect anything less? the greatest minds assemble here and they have excellent taste in females i might add
Hahaha! You have made a very good point Thatguy888!
Being a mathematician in my daily life, seeing Descartes show up on GWM has me disjointed....
"WORLDS COLLIDING JERRY!!! WORLDS COLLIDING!!"
You are not alone Dc3rd!
I dont know what all of that means, my teachers always said i was too stupid for anything and shouldnt bother with big words. Ive got an uncle called Rene though, he died from the booze in '03, but he was known througout the town for his motocross stunts
And I can create stunningly great Suschi...but we both digress dear [deleted].
I appreciate that a thread on Descartes exists on the muscle fetish website.
Mods, since this is unrelated to female muscle, "Subcommunities" seemed like the best place to put this. If I got it wrong, kindly move this thread to the appropriate section of the forum as you see fit.
This is a continuation of a tangent from another thread. I've carried over the relevant tangent posts from the other thread below. Please keep any further discussion regarding Rene Decartes here in this thread.
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I'm saying that most of the entire section before and after Cogito Ergo Sum were appeasement, as were small mentions of "God" sprinkled throughout. He built two cases: His true premise, and his appeasement. The Church heard it's requisite dog whistles, and Decartes got to live to the ripe old age of 53 and died of pneumonia. That Cogito Ergo Sum is so often misquoted is a fluke. It wasn't some great finish. It's just another line buried in the middle of his primary appeasement.