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Man this thread just confirmed most of you have never stepped foot in a gym, and have genuinely no idea how natural women look like.
Cyd Gillon?
Jesus Christ dude. You know, it's kind of impolite to ignore acknowledging people's responses (or even thank them) to your last question, including your follow up ones, only to move on to ask about another woman without any lead up. Now, instead of posting your favorite natural women (that you KNOW are natural,) you are throwing random darts in the air hoping one sticks.
And to answer THIS question, no she isn't natural, which you should know because we told you that IFBB pros like Daniella Means aren't natty, and Cyd is also an IFBB pro. It also shows you are clearly ignoring what you don't want to hear.
> > How long have you been a schmoe for? It's clear Ariel is using some form of PEDs. Megsquats is a good example of a girl that's natural and has been lifting for years now
Jeez, honestly it's NOT clear. She's strong and has mass for sure, but a woman with good genetics, great training and nutrition, and lots of years under her belt could get to this picture below without PEDs. It's possible that Ariel could too, but gear helped her get there faster and easier.
This feels weird because usually I'm the one telling people that they're crazy for thinking all of these buff and ripped women are natty. It's odd to be on the other side.
I'm sorry Muscles_Toez, but it's super duper mega clear that Ariel has been juicing. Her body should be evidence enough, but let's analyze it. Her wide shoulders, it's not something that grows like crazy on a girl even when she's training hard. And just look at her chest wow. Also the thickness of her biceps. The thickness of her muscles EVERYWHERE on her body gives another hint of juicing. We could go on.
Let's look back at older pictures of her.
I think she was jucing even by this time, and this
. Her muscles grew fast (what makes muscles grow fast?) and Ariel's face shows similar changes to how Natalia Trukhina's face changed with jucing.
. I mean who in their right mind would say Ariel is natty here:
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So today she might be maintaining her juiced up muscles in a more subtle way, but to claim that her physique is natty achievable is deceitful, even if you don't mean to be deceiving people by it.
Lastly a high body fat ratio helps in balancing the hormone levels which makes women stay more feminine looking, like Ariel and Melinda.
Okay guys, point taken.
First off, I agree and concede that Ariel is on gear. I first said that she might not be, but probably is. I never took a definitive stand. But yes, I will stay it clearly: she’s on gear and has been for a long time.
Also wow, she actually had a really solid physique back then. I’m honestly impressed, I never realized that she looked like that before. I was only familiar with her present Buff BBW era.
Don’t stress about anyone getting deceived. No girls are gonna read this thread and think that they can look like Ariel with a lot of protein powder. No girls are going to read this thread period.
And you could post up bloodwork reports from her, and there will still be a group of guys on here that believe she is 100% natural.
But we good, you can stop calling me out. Ariel is juicing and proud of it. I said it!
if you think the SEVEN TIME OLYMPIA FIGURE WINNER is natty, and has a better physique than other figure competitors who are juicing, i have a brdige to sell you (it's currently collapsed in baltimore)
she hasn't been natty since MAYBE when she was on survivor
if you think the SEVEN TIME OLYMPIA FIGURE WINNER is natty, and has a better physique than other figure competitors who are juicing, i have a brdige to sell you (it's currently collapsed in baltimore)
she hasn't been natty since MAYBE when she was on survivor
Honestly, with as many dudes who thought Liver King was natty, and who still think Dwayne the Rock Johnson is natty, I’m not surprised Flyerboy and other dudes believe Olympia winners are natty,
Yeh Lauren could be natural. She could just ne unique and have amazingly overdeveloped delts an traps - the places where androgen receptors are most prominent and which blow up on juice..... lol
She used to be so much bigger than she is now.
The silence surrounding PEDs and fillers among female influencers isn't as innocent as it seems. Many influencers profit from promoting supplements, concealing the truth to make money and taking advantage of their female followers' ignorance. They also create unrealistic expectations about their promoted workout routines. Some followers would unfollow upon realizing the role of PEDs in achieving the promoted physique.
Even when disclosed, most influencers try to dismiss PEDs as just a cherry on top of the cake. But in reality, PEDs are more like cherry in a cherry cake.
It is just an observation, not a call for a moral cruzade.
- Then there are those who bring up the pre-PED era musclewomen. They're nice to know about, but irrelevant, because just like someone said, it used to require sacrificing your whole life to it, whereas with PEDs you get to do other things too.
I won't say they're totally irrelevant, because there can some women so obsessed with lifting that they are dedicated to sacrificing their life to it, we just can't know who just by the look of it.
But to say there can't be a woman looking like a 1940s circus athlete in todays world would be wrong, knowing that there are on earth about 4 times more people than back then, and a much larger percentage of women is hitting the gym, so there are far more chances to see genetic outliers in today's world than in the 1940s : again we just can't know who just by the looks of it.
Also remember a natural muscular girl in today's world can look like that,
This is Kortney Olson in 2010, 2 years before her first anavar shot, as she talked about in her recent video.
Bloody hell half of this thread is just full of schmoes who really try to convince themselves girls can look massive naturally lmao
I think we just have to admit that in the end, we really don't know what a natty FBB looks like. PEDs are so prevalent out there, and there are so many types, and taken in varying quantities and varying intervals. So, you can have a girl who looks like as muscular as a male pro bodybuilder, with the square jaw, deep voice, etc., all the way to a girl where we'd wonder if she is/isn't on PED.
To me, it becomes questionable when their biceps start to exceed 14" and still look "muscular" rather than looking "fluffy". At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. Anyone who becomes actually serious about fitness/bodybuilding will eventually start taking at least some PED even if just to be able to keep up with their love of the gym.
We could also post women from before steroids like Luisita Leers
https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/169912/
No steroids in the 1930s 😂.
Doesn't matter. Some of these twats will still insist she's on steroids. I'm not naive, I know most of the women do them --- but I also know that some women can develop surprising muscle without PEDS. And some women can take PEDs and still be relatively scrawny.
Some guys just think PEDs are the only relevant factor here and they aren't.
I'm honestly beyond exhausted with all the moronic PED debate here about who's natural and who isn't. Who gives a fuck. Unless someone is holding the lab results in their hands or it's just someone with ludicrous development like Nataliya Kuznetsova and/or openly admits it --- no one KNOWS definitively. So what's the point in all the arguing about it.
I generally stay out of this mental masturbation because it's a pointless circular argument that leads nowhere. I don't care who's natural and who isn't That decision is up to the women, not me. I don't care who claims to be natty but isn't, because I'm not a gossipy housewife. Seriously, grown men debating this shit and all the drama is just silly and sad honestly.
Why do we even care who's natural? Shouldn't we just assume they're taking something to help?
And how do we know Alina can't grow a beard? What if she can but never lets us see it?
Why do we even care who's natural? Shouldn't we just assume they're taking something to help?
I used to care, but now I just assume they're all using at least something to help. For me it's the idea of seeing the type of muscle mass that's achievable by girls without extra help.
Unfortunately it appears that if there's any amount of muscle definition, you'd never get agreement that she's natty.
I'm actually a big fan of the "if you have to ask, then he/she/them is probably using" rule of thumb. On this site in particular, it's probably fair to say that of the impressive physiques, roughly 95% have been achieved with the help of PEDs at some point. With the ratio being this one-sided, "falsely accusing" anyone isn't really something I'd care about; much like in criminal prosecution, you don't stop handing out guilty verdicts just because 1 out of 500 is in fact innocent. "That person is using" should be the default assumption, and one can take the arguments from there. The idea of "innocent until proven guilty" (natty until proven juicy) has no application in bodybuilding, whose very essence is taking one's body beyond natural limits.
I don't mind being an insecure cunt, not to mention depressing and weird, as long as I get good information.