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Maybe it’s just a threshold for some guys. For me if they used once, ever, they are not natty. Hey will never be natty for these purposes even if they’re clean for the rest of their career.
For some they only care if they are regular users currently cycling and are ok with “natty” being “natty rights now”
I suspect people are getting their sources from this page: https://www.reddit.com/r/SUPMOGO/comments/15i... reddit ftw :DD
This thread has just turned into a bunch of insecure cunts who can’t comprehend that it’s possible to have any level of visible muscle without blasting PEDs. It’s really weird. Some of the women getting called out as none natty aren’t even impressive, just because you don’t know how to train effectively and grow without PEDs doesn’t mean it’s the same for everyone else. I love the positive side of this community but fucks sake the negative side is so depressing and weird
This thread has just turned into a bunch of insecure cunts who can’t comprehend that it’s possible to have any level of visible muscle without blasting PEDs. It’s really weird. Some of the women getting called out as none natty aren’t even impressive, just because you don’t know how to train effectively and grow without PEDs doesn’t mean it’s the same for everyone else. I love the positive side of this community but fucks sake the negative side is so depressing and weird
lol "insecure"
This thread has just turned into a bunch of insecure cunts who can’t comprehend that it’s possible to have any level of visible muscle without blasting PEDs. It’s really weird. Some of the women getting called out as none natty aren’t even impressive, just because you don’t know how to train effectively and grow without PEDs doesn’t mean it’s the same for everyone else. I love the positive side of this community but fucks sake the negative side is so depressing and weird
Why are you so negative then?
"Some of the women getting called out as none natty aren’t even impressive" That is exactly the point! Even girls who do not show an "impressive" physique are most often on PED's, because PED's is such a powerful shortcut to gaining muscles. Poeple who train naturally tend to slowly gain muscles in certain areas but not in others, so a natty physique tend to be not just unimpressive but also unbalanced. But with PED's basically all muscles grow simultaneously even without focusing on them, like the traps.
I argue that PED's are so common nowadays that it has become the norm within the fitness industry, and especially if someone wants to show a muscle body that's noteworthy.
And by far most examples mentioned in this thread are not natties. You can tell by the type of the muscularity combined with the leanness. There are also other signs like altered face that indicates PED use, but some people seem to have a hard time seeing those signs it seems. I even look at the eyes, mouth area and the general behaviour and listen to the voice of someone to get clues of PED use. There are so many signs to look for if you're open for it.
Negativity breeds negativity, it’s impossible to be positive when there’s people who have persuaded themselves they’re some sort of human PED detector and won’t allow anyone to tell them different. Yes there’s some obvious PED users on here. But the idea that you can’t be lean, muscular and balanced without PEDs is wrong and sad. It’s probably more annoying for me as I’m involved in powerlifting and know that most the women are terrified of the idea of PEDs, they just want to compete and have fun, and get in pretty good shape after years of doing is as a consequence. But to you it’s all a conspiracy and they must all be on drugs, how else could they possibly have any visible muscle are be able to lift anything at all
I have been competing in powerlifting for 10 years. While i think there are some women Who do great numbers at the top that might be drug free, most are not, for various reasons. What i sm trying tò Say Is that 1 i am tried of discussing natty vs not because i frankly do not care 2 After 10/11 years of training and competing i have seen my Fair share tò make a few statements
Nicole Williams I think is a pretty good example of "muscular natty" https://www.instagram.com/p/CyweZdbSxUO/?img_...
Negativity breeds negativity, it’s impossible to be positive when there’s people who have persuaded themselves they’re some sort of human PED detector and won’t allow anyone to tell them different. Yes there’s some obvious PED users on here. But the idea that you can’t be lean, muscular and balanced without PEDs is wrong and sad. It’s probably more annoying for me as I’m involved in powerlifting and know that most the women are terrified of the idea of PEDs, they just want to compete and have fun, and get in pretty good shape after years of doing is as a consequence. But to you it’s all a conspiracy and they must all be on drugs, how else could they possibly have any visible muscle are be able to lift anything at all
It's not conspiracy from my part. That is how you see it. I see it as a reality after having been exposed to the industry since the 1990's. I have seen enough to make some calls. I mean how could I know for sure without a doubt that Andrea Shaw uses PED's? The same way I look at other muscle people. However there is no judgement in it, only consequences. It's sad to see someone ruining his or her health or facial looks with PED's, but that's it. It's still their choice, even though it might be illegal.
And you shouldn't just yell and scream negativity if people have different ideas and opinions than you. Chances are they are not being negative, just realistic.
This thread has just turned into a bunch of insecure cunts who can’t comprehend that it’s possible to have any level of visible muscle without blasting PEDs. It’s really weird. Some of the women getting called out as none natty aren’t even impressive, just because you don’t know how to train effectively and grow without PEDs doesn’t mean it’s the same for everyone else. I love the positive side of this community but fucks sake the negative side is so depressing and weird
This thread is fascinating. I didn’t expect this hot take.
I’m not insecure. Lol, I love steroids. Been on them for two years. I use SARMS too. The idea that this stuff is bad or “cheating” for physique athletes is ridiculous. We all use them. They’re great.
One more time: men and women can have significant degrees of muscularity without them. It’s true. Does that make you feel better?
What they can’t have is super ripped conditioning, popping delts and traps, and super low body fat for an extended amount of time. I mean, they CAN, but they won’t be able to grow more muscle or live a normal life with a normal job. But introduce some test and clen… and suddenly all things are possible.
I get that some morons are judging these athletes for using this stuff, but I’m not. I’m all for it. I’d legalize all of them tomorrow if I could.
I’m not insecure. Lol, I love steroids. Been on them for two years. I use SARMS too. The idea that this stuff is bad or “cheating” for physique athletes is ridiculous. We all use them. They’re great.
This whole thread was about natural physiques. Somebody who claims to be natural. If you claim to be natural when you are in fact taking something is 100% cheating and there is nothing cool about it. You have to be one entitled and insecure individual to feel like you have the right to ruin the success of someone who has worked way harder than you.
If you're using gear, are forward about it and compete in the correct competitions then go off have fun
Lusita Leers was a circus performer who dedicated herself to intense training, embodying the role of a strong woman as both her profession and lifestyle. [etc]
Good points. People trotting out Leers as natty-achievable are getting the wrong impression. Grand Hollywood movies would film war scenes that required thousands of extras and elaborate sets. They could theoretically make movies that way today, but they don't. They use CGI to varying degrees. Technology has changed the landscape. Anyone working as hard as possible to build big muscles can build even bigger muscles with the assistance of chemistry. Now add the pressure of competition and social media.
This whole thread was about natural physiques. Somebody who claims to be natural. If you claim to be natural when you are in fact taking something is 100% cheating and there is nothing cool about it. You have to be one entitled and insecure individual to feel like you have the right to ruin the success of someone who has worked way harder than you.
If you're using gear, are forward about it and compete in the correct competitions then go off have fun
Dude, the first post said…
“ What are your favorite girls that you think are natural?”
Not “ What are your favorite girls that claim to be natural.”
Megsquats I’m pretty sure is natty. Looks like someone who has been lifting so consistently for years
Was going to mention her too. Meg has been lifting for years and she looks insanely great for being a natural lifter.
Ariel Rose.
I would not be surprised if she is done some light cycles to get to the size she is now, but I believe that she is mostly natural.
And I only say that because she has great muscle development for someone her age. If she was five years older, then I think her physique is entirely achievable naturally.
