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I agree that things need to change. The problem is that any kind of minor change isn't going to last. They did away with female bodybuilding 10+ years ago and introduced women's physique, in the hopes that it would dial back on the extreme look that was prevalent at the time. Fast forward to today and physique competitors (in many cases) are larger and more shredded than bodybuilders were then. And of course bodybuilding made a comeback, only to be almost indistinguishable from physique with the exception of their posing routines. Nothing really changed, it just kept progressing toward more extreme prep. At the top levels, people will do anything to win, which includes putting their health on the line.
If there is to be any change made with long-lasting effects, it would have to be a complete revamp of bodybuilding as a whole. The problem is that no one really wants that. The competitors don't want it because it would mean smaller, less defined physiques that what they've become used to having/striving for, and fans/supporters don't want it since the smaller physiques aren't as "interesting." IFBB certainly doesn't want it because for them to change, it would be like admitting to being complicit in allowing rampant drug use for decades. And of course it would lead to decline in competition and revenue.
The only other solution I can think of is to just legalize everything (which, in America, is likely to never happen) and for the IFBB (or whoever) to offer programs on safe use. Obviously they're going to be using either way, so they may as well be properly educated on the dangers and risks they're taking, and ways to minimize those risks.
EDIT: Also, is there a licensing process at all to become a bodybuilding or nutrition coach?
it is quite unfortunate about the steroid abuse there should be a way to stop it but its impossible to stop it now. i am not sure what to think about his rant about schmoes. i agree with him that people who pay these women for nothing or very quick low effort clips are dumb. but i doubt there are many men who seriously think the fbbs like them and these schmoes tend to be anonymous and just post their raw thoughts and would never say those things in real life. and the fbbs don't know them too the just see some gibberish user name its hard to get attracted to that even if you make normal comments. they could be handsome or ugly who knows. a lot of people just look down on schmoes because they are into non vanilla sex. female bodybuilding is so niche that most of the viewers are schmoes. its not like something like tennis or football were there is a lot of action and people watch for non sexual reasons even if the athletes are very sexy too.
and about femininity i think most fbbs look feminine enough. there are some examples were things go too far but these women often want to look manly on purpose like page du mars. but even very extreme fbbs like alyeesha young had kids while being extremely muscular so its easy for women to remain feminine without compromising their muscularity. ofcourse normies think a bicep and a cock is practically the same thing but they are never going to like this and should be ignored .
Yeah its sad everyone is dying, but I feel his anger should be directed at himself, and big pharma.
Here's a fun compilation for those with the eyes to see what's in front of us, to those without I'll keep hoping for everyone. Notice how many atheletes across many sports:
Yeah its sad everyone is dying, but I feel his anger should be directed at himself, and big pharma.
Here's a fun compilation for those with the eyes to see what's in front of us, to those without I'll keep hoping for everyone. Notice how many atheletes across many sports:
It’s not a vaccine thing, it’s been happening for years.
Honestly, I was shocked he was vituperating some athletes. He just repeated the same talking points detractors and those who dislike muscular women make constantly. The schmoe rant is not original either. The sport is not a beauty contest, so femininity should not even be debated. Look at male bodybuilders and they are twice as extreme. It is also shocking that he said he does not interview women who compete in the open class, because he does not deem them feminine enough. I really find it lugubrious that the only way a female athlete has value is if she functions as a sex object.
It’s not a vaccine thing, it’s been happening for years.
There was an increase in morality in 2023. With some athletes, the combination of PEDs and unforeseen side effects of the COVID-19 vaccines could have caused health complications. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uOxhYyfYw4
I just learned what "schmoe" (lmao) means and I agree with most of the video.
The fitness community has become a cesspool full of steroids, plenty of people die from them on a daily basis, and it's not just women, bodybuilding is just the more "extreme" version, other sports are plagued by this too.
Nothing to say about creeps, he's absolutely right.
I just don't understand his arguments on bodybuilding being about bettering ourselves, when we all know this "sport" has been full of steroid users since the Silver era.
About femininity, some female bodybuilders aim (or have) for a more masculine/feminine build, there's nothing wrong with it in both cases, as long as there are categories who reward different bodytypes/proportions, but he's definitely right when talking about how extreme and unhealthy some women look, tbh all pro BB (men or women) in bigger categories look unhealthy.
This issue isn't just about women's BB, more and more younger people (especially men, even teens sometimes) are jumping on steroids, I know a couple of teens on gear and see plenty of content on social media of 20y olds looking bigger than Schwarzenegger.
The only other solution I can think of is to just legalize everything (which, in America, is likely to never happen) and for the IFBB (or whoever) to offer programs on safe use. Obviously they're going to be using either way, so they may as well be properly educated on the dangers and risks they're taking, and ways to minimize those risks.
Quoting myself from earlier, this also makes me wonder what the mortality rate is for bodybuilders in countries where PED's are legal?
He literally had an OnlyFans where he sold videos of podcast guests flexing, but is now the police of morality and ethics for the same community of people. That took quite a turn.
It's hard to disagree too much on his schmoes rant, some of the very outward ones seem like sick individuals, but I do think his grandstanding is a bit funny.
How does a heterosexual man even get a passion so specific as female bodybuilding, not bodybuilding, but specifically female bodybuilding, and it not be even a little bit sexual? Like how does that happen? Has he ever explained this?
It's not like watching women's basketball because you're a huge fan of basketball and you appreciate their fundamentals, or maybe you have a daughter. He is analyzing and talking about women, and only women, where a massive part of what they do involves stripping to their underwear and basically exposing their assholes to look at their glutes.
Ok, so I watched it again and I got some time to give my thoughts on his three subjects:
Steroids: Like I mentioned before, I realized that there was an uptick in bodybuilders dying relatively young the past few years, but it was a bit shocking to hear that four women that he interviewed within an eight-month period wound up dying. I also know that there are some pretty prominent coaches out there who have been assigning dangerously aggressive compound protocols to their athletes, but I don't know what the solution is. Like cgsweat said, competitions tried doing away with female bodybuilding a decade ago, but since then competitors in every category have gotten bigger and more conditioned. Hell, look no further than male bodybuilding. Arnold would look downright puny compared to the men who are now gracing the Olympia stage. Athletes in every sport are also bigger, faster and stronger. In the CrossFit Games, compare the events and weights in the first couple years of the competition compared to now. The demands from athletes are greater, and when you think about, regardless of whether the public supports PED use or not, they want to see superhumans on the field, on stage and on the weight platform.
I'm an amateur Crossfitter, grappler and boxer, and PEDs are everywhere. It's frustrating to enter a local competition that really is just for fun and doesn't really mean anything in the grand sense (none of us are going pro or to an elite level,) and see juiced up competitors. I shouldn't have to get on them to have a competitive chance on what should be a more casual competition. Sadly, even with premature deaths and health issues among bodybuilders, I can't see PED use ever slowing down
Schmoes: He is for the most part right, albeit comes across as a little bit preachy. When he uses the word "schmoe," it doesn't look like he's referring to EVERYBODY that is attracted to muscular women. Rather, he is talking to the dudes who act like total creeps to them, and he's right. Like he said, the bar is honestly so low, and while it maybe helps that I also train, I can tell you that I have had multiple instances where I was talking to a muscular woman about training or nutrition, and they act relived and tell me "I'm glad you're not one of those guys" and we all know what kind of guys they are referring to. You might be surprised how responsive they can be to you if you try to talk to them without completely wearing your fetish on your sleeve. That said, the grandstanding is a bit funny because, like the above poster said, he ran that OF selling flexing content, and it's pretty clear he's also attracted to them especially considering that it doesn't look like he bodybuilds or does strength sports.
Lack of femininity: This is where he lost me. Women who take PEDs to the point that they show heavy virilization are still women, and the judging criteria should not account for things like "oh, her jaw is too square, docking points!" It also weakens his schmoe rant from earlier because now it sounds like he wants competitors to be judged in a more "sexual" way versus body composition. Plus, that also goes back to genetics, which can determine how impacted by negative sides a bodybuilder will be. For example, I'm sure Dani Reardon was on a ton of stuff to get to her size and shape, but it's clear she was also genetically lucky to have pretty minimal virilization.
Curious to see how to affects his show going forward.
Watching the video, I agree on the schmoe part. I've definitely seen a few folk with bad social skills on this website. I do have points of curiosity though.
Roughly at the 10:40 mark, he mentions guests who egg us schmoes on. To be exact, later he talks about some fbbs who receive ridiculous gifts without thinking it's too much.
What is he referring to here, with the gift part?
At 16:09 I wonder about the horror stories about the wigs coming off snd their voice deepness being even greater.
He talks about the images after they take their clothes off, I have a rough idea but id like to know more
Compared to the 80's and early 90's there is a severe lack of femininity within female bodybuilding, even if you compare similar sized women. And that is despite a wider vatiety of PEDs to choose from today.
Many women (and men) turn to bodybuilding not just to look better, but to cope with psychological issues. Training partly does help, but some people seem to think that if a medicine improve symptoms then more of that medicine will make the symptoms go away, which isn't true. At a certain point it only makes symptoms worse and things are then taken to the extreme.
he ran that OF selling flexing content, and it's pretty clear he's also attracted to them especially considering that it doesn't look like he bodybuilds or does strength sports
I think he's mentioned that he's been into bodybuilding before, but Im not 100% sure.
It would be funny if he is a schmoe like us, even though I agree with him on the schmoe part.
I think he's mentioned that he's been into bodybuilding before, but Im not 100% sure.
It would be funny if he is a schmoe like us, even though I agree with him on the schmoe part.
I don't think a "schmoe" is someone who is into muscular women even if they themselves don't lift. Rather, I call schmoes..schmoe when they act like socially inept creepers towards them.
Who's going to tell him?
A couple or so times a year or maybe every couple of years, someone comes along and tries to dunk on the male fans of female bodybuilding. We're still here, because we mostly don't bother anyone else.
I watched and listened to this video. I hate to be that guy, but I'ma be that guy: with ALL due respect, in this video, he does not present as someone who could competently teach others "how to talk to women".
With regards to looks, general tackiness aside, how can he claim the "bar is low" when ANDREA SHAW is the world's #1? And it goes without saying that some of the most attractive women in the sport have strong jawlines.
Now, I don't understand him insulting his guests and their friends, but at the end of the day, it's THEIR sport, not his. What exactly is the setting for this "conversation we need to have"? Fans literally have no say beyond what we will or will not watch/look at/pay for. That's it.
Does this video mean he's done with OnlyFans? Because Pepperidge Farms remembers....
All that said, he should probably delete this video. I wish him the best.
How ironic that he goes on a rant about schmoes but then runs an OnlyFans containing flexing clips of ALL his interview guests. If anything's creepy, it would be that. Interviewing all your guests only to then sexualize them on the side... almost seems like that was his intention all along.
Not just bodybuilding, almost everyone nowadays in the visual space, does copious amounts of drugs and plastic surgery. The amount of KIDS on SARMs, steroids even going under the knife, and those that aren’t are on dangerous diets, complex anti-aging routines before they’re old enough to drive. The drive for perfection is sickening, and I admit that I enjoy the freakiest physiques on this site and groan when women like Danielle Reardon that was the full package quit the sport and is actually happy now. Even men are obsessing about beauty even if they call it “looksmaxxing” but it’s the same spiral of obsession.
I don’t know if it’s Kim Kardashian, Instagram, the mainstreaming of fitness solely for aesthetics, TikTok, OnlyFans, or GlibGlorb but all of this isn’t healthy for our society. Something has to change.
The people who die make the headlines… but what about people who are just ruined by insecurities and “I’m not good enough” thoughts?
hey guys Ryan here and I knew I would have to check on this site after last night and boy you guys did not disappoint but here's a few things: 1. Onlyfans was a mistake that I will own up to everytime I was a broke college grad who wanted to make some money on the side and started it during the pandemic when money was tight with the permission of everyone who contributed and haven't uploaded to that account in like 2 years I am pretty sure I deleted it like a year ago but ill double check
If I came across as preachy that was not intended I am no better than anyone and never will be I was just using a platform to talk about issues that many competitors are too afraid to talk about and the reasons for that are endless.
If your are offended by anything I said about the schmoes (not every schmoe) that ruin it for people who just admire the sport then you are the problem and I hope you get the help you need
if every Olympia competitor from all the classes got their bloodwork drawn 95% would have bloodwork that a computer would say was drawn from a man and yes thats a problem I seriously think that if the VAST majority of people on here went backstage and saw the wigs removed the makeup taken off and everything else you would reconsider this attraction but I know some like it AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT
5.THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING A SCHMOE WHATS WRONG IS IF YOU USE THIS ATTRACTION TO HARASS, ABUSE, TAUNT OR WEIRD OUT COMPETITORS
7.if it was my intention to sexualize my guests I have done a horrible job..... with how much trust a lot of the guests have in me I could've run a porn empire and earned millions
I was into bodybuilding in college and was on my way to competing before I developed some health problems due to my obsession with overtraining (only substance I ever took was Flintstone gummies)
The point of the posts was if I could convince one person to stop slowly killing themselves which hundreds are then thats a win and I get this is part of the sport but it doesn't need to be there can be a way that doesn't involve as much death lastly......THE REASON THAT MOST DONT SPEAK UP IS BECAUSE THEY COME FROM A PAST OF DISORDERS OR ABUSE THAT MAKE IT HARD FOR ALOT OF THEM TO STAND UP FOR THEMSELVES AND THEY ARE AFRAID OF ROCKING THE BOAT....THEY DONT ENJOY WHERE THIS IS GOING AND SINCE IVE POSTED THE VIDEOS IVE GOTTEN 33 COMPETITORS SAYING THANKS FOR SAYING WHAT I WANTED TO SAY BUT HAVENT AND HONESTLY THAT MEANS MORE THAN ANYBODIES OPINION ON HERE
Bless you all and I hope everyone on here has a long live full of happiness and joy
Also Fuck the bad schmoes
**Edited for formatting - fp909
I am shocked that most of you have not known this for awhile........over 50 guests who I have had off record conversations about sessions and other things all don't like it and think the VAST majority of clients are suckers
I'm not really surprised at this.
I remember some guys on a Saradas thread claiming some FBBs may offer free sessions if they like their clients.
In reality it's more of a sales tactic, like airlines, frequent flyer points and cheaper/free flights.
i too have a background of abuse, i’ve learned to live with that, it’s hard to do so, and going into an extreme can happen pretty easily (for me it was stress eating, but I didn’t gain weight, and depression), the healing part for me was getting back into sports, I played baseball and soccer and that really helped me.
I’ll agree that being a creep is wrong, and as someone that was stalked at one point, it would creep me the eff out and probably cause me to either disappear or turn off most ability to message.
You've probably seen content from his podcast before where he interviews female bodybuilders and also gets them to flex, but he went on a pretty passioned rant about the industry and some of its fans on a youtube video he just released https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNyykleUJ0s
What are your thoughts? I'm honestly very surprised he put this out. Makes me wonder how much harder it will now be to get guests on his show.
Edit: Also, the fact that FOUR bodybuilders that were on his show within the past eight months have died, all younger than 40, was pretty sobering.