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Models creating
Creators running
So... Models= Creators? Did you mean Managers running?
Bad services cease to exist the second people stop supporting them so 99% of the blame must go to the customer for keeping this shit alive.
1% of the blame goes to the creators of the website because the platform itself is not great. It should be their responsibility of ensuring that both parties are protected and being treated fairly, similar to how ebay operates for their buyers and sellers. However, with OF there are virtually no safeguards in place for the consumer.
I put the blame primarily on models who have shitty practices and the creators of the platform for not doing enough to enforce it rather than consumers.
OF has exploded since pretty much the start of the pandemic lockdowns, and I think a number of women saw it as a good way to make money without necessarily putting a lot of effort into their content, if not outright not deliberately scam their followers by either not delivering content that's been paid for or delivering content that is completely different from what was requested. Not just that, but it's popularity has made it become too commercialized, which led to models hiring managers to run their pages (which can also lead to managers not understanding and bungling customer requests. At the end of the day, a model is responsible for the content on her page along with the experiences she provides her customers, so the bulk of the blame absolutely lies on them.
Though keep in mind, performers and models screwing over clients is nothing new and isn't exclusively within OF. I remember, when I first got into this kink in the mid aughts of model complaints either on cam sites or though their own sites, and funny enough, I remember reading negative reviews of session wrestlers like Lauren Powers . But I think OF deserves some blame. They should do more for customer protection, and while it's impossible to constantly monitor every single performer on a 24/7 basis, there should be some recourse for customers to let OF know of models who outright scam customers.
I don't think it's fair to blame customers. I am betting the vast majority of subscribers don't actually go to forums like this to discuss model profiles and if they are worth paying money to. Also, keep in mind that there are GOOD models out there who do put out great content and care about providing their clients with an excellent experience: they just more than likely are lesser-known models who can run their pages without needing managers.
Models creating
Creators running
So... Models= Creators? Did you mean Managers running?
No the managers don't run the pages without the models seal of approval. So it's still completely on the models.
And when I say creators I mean the people who own and are responsible for Onlyfans website. The ones you should be able to go to with a complaint for getting scammed out of your money.
hoo boy i have a lot of thoughts.
I'd put managers on the list here first. They show up when an account makes critical mass and (likely) promises them better money for less time investment. Someone like Blakelee Ortega was never getting approached because her account was too big enough. Natasha Aughey is too lazy tbh. Gracie exploded and having hundreds requests was probably daunting--I feel like Hunter Henderson finally conceded that as well. This is where you also get the big money grabs with the VIP account scam which, if I'm right, has nothing of value behind that paywall.
Creators who still run or jointly run the account have some blame--they set the price points. Setting a prohibitive sub price is a red flag and I can't believe people don't just check it out once, collect, and leave. Setting low prices and then posting the same stuff that goes on public social feeds doesn't get it done either. Very few it seems figure out how to get the most money for the right effort.
Users aren't much better because whales will pay whatever for what they personally value. Most of them have some kind of sticking point but as OF has taught many of them they all have stories of paying up front and not getting returns or, my personal favorite, asking for something and receiing a locked post and once funds are paid the video is nothing like what was asked for.
idk it's a whole can of worms. there's so many angles to think about it, so many ways that women approach it.
I can't blame women for filling a niche. Capitalism finds a way. Not just in this space, but across the board men are paying for the idea of digital access to women of all ilks. Twitch, Instagram, "Premium" Snapchat, everywhere.
Producing high quality content is not easy. A ring light+iPhone "video shoot" doesn't compare to the photography/cinematography of a Walter Iooss Jr., Sean Nelson, etc.
We vote with our wallets on what get produced. We can support creators who respect both us and their craft, or creators who view us with contempt. Why try harder or do better if "they'll still buy it".
i would say most of us don't want "high quality" content in the sense that it goes through an editor and someone else shoots it.
i've done this a few times and it honestly wasn't that much better than asking for a phone vid these days. phone quality is pretty remarkable and tbh i would prefer a more objective look than having someone else's sensibilities behind the camera. i think that has a time and place, each do, but from an OF account thats not what im looking for. it really shouldn't take longer than the length of the request
Such a simple thing like >repeat< a video, I haven't found that function in OF which made me unsubscribe to models. The site definately lacks in basic functions. There are alot of things that could improve other than introducing a repeat button on videos, like better previews so that you can make more informed decisions, also relevant model suggestions would improve the site immensely. A better layout aso...
I am surprised that things haven't totally collapsed and there is still some new stuff that is good. people have very low standards especially in this niche were we tend to be more submissive and tolerate a lot of bullshit. We got to blame the people paying for this since there is no good reason to do this in modern times. this site alone satisfys my needs most of the time and with all the porn sites there is too much to handle. there are non muscular women who will have sex with you for less than 50€ who look great. and even muscular women can offer sexual sessions for as low as 300€. the main problem is that they are not close to were I live. but you got guys paying 1000s for short videos you even have men who are into findom. and they somehow get pleasure from giving their money to random women without getting anything back. most fbbs don't enjoy dominating men and even if they do they will only pick one handsome one. and they don't care about random men on the internet. so they are not going to give you anything for free. and if there are idiots that want to pay them for low effort content. why would they say no to that and why would they put in effort to please a more picky subcommunity that doesn't pay as much.
i would say most of us don't want "high quality" content in the sense that it goes through an editor and someone else shoots it.
i've done this a few times and it honestly wasn't that much better than asking for a phone vid these days. phone quality is pretty remarkable and tbh i would prefer a more objective look than having someone else's sensibilities behind the camera. i think that has a time and place, each do, but from an OF account thats not what im looking for. it really shouldn't take longer than the length of the request
That's a fair point on production quality. There's a time and place for everything. Still, there's effort vs no effort.
OF's primary selling point seems to be the illusion of intimacy and connection. Enterprising strippers have always used similar techniques to make more funds. Extra eye contact, touch, smile. Guys leave gentleman's clubs daily truly believing they had a connection. "She's really into me". No last call and the lights never come on online.
I just miss the good ol' pre-fans days where you just paid a flat monthly sub rate and had access to everything on the site, with no hidden fees.
EDIT: I will say that one good thing about onlyfans is that it has given exposure to women who we'd otherwise likely never see in risque or adult content. The sites I mentioned earlier mostly referred to photographer-created content, so you only got to see whoever worked with that photographer.
It's given exposure to more women for sure and created tremendous financial opportunities for some. Much easier signing up for an existing site than it was to start a GeoCities and host media.
It has also drawn many more women into sex work by breaking down barriers to entry and presenting a fun, empowering facade. Some people are destined for porn, poles, and prostitution, but other people would have made amazing doctors, nurses, teachers, mothers, wives, etc.
I can't argue with their choices from a fiscal standpoint. Sure, you can work hard every day for wages and build a modest life with your loving family. Alternatively, by selling pictures of your asshole online, you could buy a big house, small dogs, and a Lamborghini.
Which is why the muscle thing doesn’t seem so bad if you keep it rather tame in comparison. But the platform itself and the reputation of the extremes makes it harder for someone to consider using it.
I saw a video the other day where a kid said his sister was a bad sister: she would dunk on his grades and brag about hers but he clapped back saying “what was it all for if you’re just going to sell yourself online”.
It's given exposure to more women for sure and created tremendous financial opportunities for some. Much easier signing up for an existing site than it was to start a GeoCities and host media.
It has also drawn many more women into sex work by breaking down barriers to entry and presenting a fun, empowering facade. Some people are destined for porn, poles, and prostitution, but other people would have made amazing doctors, nurses, teachers, mothers, wives, etc.
I can't argue with their choices from a fiscal standpoint. Sure, you can work hard every day for wages and build a modest life with your loving family. Alternatively, by selling pictures of your asshole online, you could buy a big house, small dogs, and a Lamborghini.
It sounds like you have a disdain for women who make money with their bodies. What makes you say that "porn performers" and "amazing doctors, nurses, teachers. mothers and wives" are two completely separate categories? There are lots of cam models and fetish performers who also have successful professional careers and are great mothers and wives.
This is gonna get a bit soapboxy, but for a fetish site where all of us are attracted to buff women, it's ironic that there are those who seem to show great disdain for women the moment they decide that their physiques can be profitable. Speaking from a U.S. perspective, we have weird hangups and repressions about sex and sex work. Sex is natural, and having kinks and fetishes is completely normal and natural, and so long as it is between two consensual adults, why do we hold it to such a taboo? Or, like HeavilyEdited, people want to have two distinct characterizations between "those porn performers blergh" and the "good woman with morals who has a professional career and family life." Does it annoy you that someone CAN be a doctor or teacher AND do cam work on the side?
I also find it interesting when men talk down on OF models or pro-dommes. Is it jealousy that they are offering something that you want for free but have to pay for? Why the anger at a woman who decides to use her looks to make money?
Totally, the girl in that video was an honor roll student, highly intelligent. She didn't seem super proud of it, but she's able to help her family cover expenses. STEM doesn't pay the bills. ... Well, it certainly does, but it's hard and takes time, etc, etc.
You're right, the muscles and most other niches are relatively tame. It's expensive being jacked. They're providing a service.
I'd be insufferable if 2 women/week DM'd me about how hot I am. No idea how women navigate 100s-1000s of those messages daily.
It sounds like you have a disdain for women who make money with their bodies. What makes you say that "porn performers" and "amazing doctors, nurses, teachers. mothers and wives" are two completely separate categories? There are lots of cam models and fetish performers who also have successful professional careers and are great mothers and wives.
This is gonna get a bit soapboxy, but for a fetish site where all of us are attracted to buff women, it's ironic that there are those who seem to show great disdain for women the moment they decide that their physiques can be profitable. Speaking from a U.S. perspective, we have weird hangups and repressions about sex and sex work. Sex is natural, and having kinks and fetishes is completely normal and natural, and so long as it is between two consensual adults, why do we hold it to such a taboo? Or, like HeavilyEdited, people want to have two distinct characterizations between "those porn performers blergh" and the "good woman with morals who has a professional career and family life." Does it annoy you that someone CAN be a doctor or teacher AND do cam work on the side?
I also find it interesting when men talk down on OF models or pro-dommes. Is it jealousy that they are offering something that you want for free but have to pay for? Why the anger at a woman who decides to use her looks to make money?
I'm not your straw man.
There's a place for sex workers and doctors. They aren't typically the same folks because both professionas require tremendous time, skill, and effort.
Maybe my writing tone is giving you anger and resentment, but as you say, we're on the same site looking at women's bodies. No disdain here.
Can a sex worker technically be a physician too? Yes. Can an NFL player technically be an astronaut? Yes. Is it possible? Yes. Probable? No.
Life has trade offs. It's not right or wrong, it just is.
I reckon I must spend about £50 a year on OF. Always spur of the moment subs (normally when they are having a sale or discount) if I've got the horn for some muscley lady I've found on t'internet. To me, that's nothing - it's 99p a week. I'm not simping or wasting my life, its just a brief diversion of "me time". My latest sub was to Gergana Savova for £6ish. Absolutely useless, just re-posts of her TikTok. Am I bothered? Not at all, still got a thrill watching those monster pecs flaring up. I DO wish there was a review or rate mechanism on OF - I'd love to warn others that her content is shit. Not to save people a few quid, but to make her stop being lazy and bung some exclusive content up. Overall, I reckon people who make derogatory comments about OF are just jealous that they aren't attractive enough to induce paying customers to pay some money to ogle them.
The lack od review structure is a feature, surely. Probably in the same vein as removing thumbs down on YouTube. It does them no good to have potential sources of income driven into the ground because a few people checked it out and gave bad reviews. Pretty sure HBC has an option to remove ratings from customers.
It also prevents review bombing if a particularly salty customer feels jilted for whatever reason and brigades the ratings.
I think the note about the attention given to the endeavor is right. If you treat it like a small business there will be returns. No one opens a small business and hands it over to new management a week, a month after launch. The ones that treat it like that get the good reviews and the steady (regular) incomes. But it’s very few. I cannot imagine handing over my Patreon to someone to run—even if I was still doing the writing I don’t want anyone making promises on my behalf that I can’t fulfill especially if it involves money changing hands.
There are skills and knowledge that are part of sex work and if that’s the route they really want to go it takes some sacrifice.
I don’t really have a soapbox to stand on here since I do participate. I think there are many women that abhor the idea of selling their personal being as someone else’s fap material. There are women that seek that attention. And women willing to accept it in exchange for money for an amount of time (unless they don’t have an exit strategy).
Perhaps the line is drawn between women who know they can make a bag but legitimately think they fill a niche/service vs those who just want to take advantage of simps.
This thread clears up why there's a flood of interest in OnlyFans. I was surprised to learn that OnlyFans reviews has the most posts of any GWM thread . Generally, I ignore that thread. When I learned how popular the thread was, I thought maybe I'm missing something. But apparently not. If OnlyFans promoters want to promote their platform to a skeptic, they'll find me here.
By creators, I think you mean the developers. If so, I blame them all the way. I don’t know how big the team is, but when I once used it, I was surprised at how every function fought me. Watching videos, finding models, navigating through the site, etc. The models are no different than any other service since some are good while others being bad. I can’t speak about the managers since they are there to maintain their models well being at least I hope. It is just a janky version of pornhub which is saying a lot since that has its own set of issues.
You going to look at it from all points of view it's a mix of everybody's fault the content creators the customers and the owners of the website I've not bought content from only fans but I've heard a lot of people stories they're either really good and they have a great experience or they're really bad they have a very bad experience honestly the site should have more protections for customers granted they can't watch every Creator Around the Clock but there should be some kind of system to protect customers against scams or subpar content
I'm just curious what the people of GWM think.
Personally I believe 100% of the blame falls squarely on the paying customers shoulders. Because all the shady practices of the models and the site creators wouldn't happen if people didn't fork over the cash time and time again knowing an obvious scam when they see one.