Should Trans Women be Allowed on the Main GWM Page?

You did it so many times, and not only you forget to be forthcoming in each, but you contradicted yourself in nonsense so many time I lose the count, as any of "us" ("us" who?) pointed out, as did anyone that has a residual logic and a little bit of intellectual honesty. The pattern is every time the same, like the last posts ahead a) you spend a logorrohic wall of text to say nothing, but one or two senseless personal pov that you try to pass for axioms, or facts b) someone (like me in the last post about black people specie and your straw man argument) confute with ease and point out your nonsenses. c) you completely ignore to answer on the matter and discharge another wall of text full of new nonsenses, at least you are creative. Believe me, I know the strategy, and you can't fool me. Sorry.

About what can alter gender: not sure about sex, but about gender, it depends on every individual that begins the transition. There's not a magic formula and any point can have various weight for different people. in my pov I would pick every point you wrote, from the most important (the individual say-so) to the less (society declaration). But you are right on one point: it was never about consent of someone else.

Here is a born male (never denied my sex), that ever considered her gender to be woman, from since she has memory. She enters a path of truthness, proudness, pain, self esteem, hormones, fears, reconsiderations (yes, reconsiderations), surgery. And, not poof, but after a long path yes, it comes out a woman. A woman that doesn't need your consent to be considered so, again. If this hurts your fragile ego, sorry again. But hey, I can't bear your burdens too.

Hey i'm for freedom at all, for all. You're free to hurt yourself the way you like.

Game, set, match. 😉

So in other words your behavior is that of a man, but an extremely girly man.

Beside your continuos need to belittle and insult me, my choices and my entire life, this one could easily be the best accidental compliment a man ever said to me. So, thank you very much ;)

Beside your continuos need to belittle and insult me, my choices and my entire life, this one could easily be the best accidental compliment a man ever said to me. So, thank you very much ;)

I’m still laughing at the fact that someone said “girly man” in any kind of serious context.

Seriously it’s only the first week of February and I’m already nominating Zarkle for best comedian of 2023. You should see my face light up when I get a notification that he replied. I know that I’m in for major entertainment, lol

Answering the question:

NO.

Why is it separated in the first place tho, like for most trans women you can't tell that they're trans unless you do a genital inspection or some shit like that

Why is it separated in the first place tho, like for most trans women you can't tell that they're trans unless you do a genital inspection or some shit like that

There are actually a few women featured on the main site that were born male, in fact.

There are actually a few women featured on the main site that were born male, in fact.

Ohhh,who are they

GIRL with muscle

Ohhh,who are they

I suggest we start guessing. Or find solid information on how to spot them.

I suggest we start guessing. Or find solid information on how to spot them.

If the GIRL had her gender replacement surgery, your solid information has gone. I fear guessing is your last option in the case. Or hope the girl self spot herself, as I did a pair of weeks ago reporting a pic showing legs of mine featured on main site.

Yes they should be allowed

Personally, I don’t think so. But I really commented not just to say, “hey this is my opinion,” but to say that after reading over a good amount of these comments, it’s really disappointing that having a different opinion is made out to be so horrible now. And it’s not just this topic. It seems like if your opinion doesn’t match up with what’s being pushed, then you’re wrong and you shouldn’t be allowed to speak. That sentiment is just so disappointing. It really shows a lack of intelligence if you can’t comprehend that there are different opinions.

You hear stuff a lot now about silencing people and screaming “hate speech” when an opinion doesn’t match up with theirs. People won’t even listen to other points of view. In order to grow you have to accept new information. Not agree with it, but accept it and understand it. I live in America so it is different than other countries, but in this country there is no such thing as “hate speech” because it’s something that’s subjective. It’s scary to hear about other countries silencing/fining/jailing people for saying things. It’s just disgusting to think about, and it worries me that we are heading in that direction because of how many people are pushing for it.

Well, the majority of people that voted this poll voted yes, and yet trans women aren't allowed on the main site. I'm not sure to say that poll to be representative of the whole site but hey, not sure to be not either. I don't know about usa situation and don't want to open a debate about freedom of speech. In my country, no one is jailed for his opinion. It is very difficult to see someone jailed even if that someone beat some other people only because they are gay or lesbian. Beside that, i'm scared freedom of speech being confused so many times with freedom of insulting and belittle other people. Even on this site. But hey, my opinion.

Yeah, what gives??? The poll very clearly says the majority want to allow trans women on the main site. This was a poll awhile ago. Why is this not yet established?

What is going on??? Please stop discriminating against trans women.

To discriminate means literally to make distinctions. There's nothing evil in making distinctions.

The answer to this question depends on the answer to one question: is it fair? Do competitors with male genetics have a unfair advantage over competitors with female genetics? In most sports the unfair advantage can be proven with data (disparities in race times, top lifts, tennis server speeds, etc.). In a subjective sport, the disparity may be less obvious. However, as long as muscle mass is one of the judging criteria, the data is clear on the advantage of male genetics.

The answer to this question depends on the answer to one question: is it fair? Do competitors with male genetics have a unfair advantage over competitors with female genetics? In most sports the unfair advantage can be proven with data (disparities in race times, top lifts, tennis server speeds, etc.). In a subjective sport, the disparity may be less obvious. However, as long as muscle mass is one of the judging criteria, the data is clear on the advantage of male genetics.

You might have a point when it comes to competitions, but this isn't a sport. It's a website. None of them women here win anything from their photos being shown. Very few have given permission for their pics to be on here. They gain no direct benefit from it whatsoever. Although granted - some may appreciate the extra exposure.

Curious hypothetical question for the people against trans women... Do you guys know "Kittybitcosplay?" Now.. I DON'T think she she's trans, although who's to know for sure. But let's just say that she was:

How would this affect you? She doesn't appear to compete, so the "unfair trans athlete" thing doesn't apply. She flexes a lot and takes awesome pics and certainly looks beautiful and strong. She fits in well in this site. She's not doing nudity or explicit sex work. Most of her pics concentrate on her upper body, so her genitals really aren't a factor in her content.

AGAIN, I'M NOT SAYING THAT SHE'S TRANS. THIS IS JUST HYPOTHETICAL. But a trans woman could easily look like her and do the exact same things that she does. If she was trans.. how would that ruin your appreciation of her? How would that diminish the other women on this site? What danger does a trans kittybitcosplay present?

What part of this-person-may-look-like-a-woman-but-it's-not-woman you goodie PC shoes don't understand?

Of course her sexual parts make all the difference...

You can treat trans people with respect but don't pretend it's the same thing as the real thing.

What part of this-person-may-look-like-a-woman-but-it's-not-woman you goodie PC shoes don't understand?

Of course her sexual parts make all the difference...

You can treat trans people with respect but don't pretend it's the same thing as the real thing.

Okay… so in this hypothetical, how do her genitals or her birth identity change things for you?

You’re looking at pictures on a website of a muscular woman flexing. She’s not naked. You barely ever even see her lower body.

You’re not meeting her or dating her. And her presence doesn’t restrict the quantity or quality of other women’s pics.

I’m honestly curious what you find so upsetting? And what’s the absolute worst case scenario of allowing trans models on here?

"Okay… so in this hypothetical, how do her genitals or her birth identity change things for you?"

It changes things because it's fake and deceitful.

"Okay… so in this hypothetical, how do her genitals or her birth identity change things for you?"

It changes things because it's fake and deceitful.

Honestly curious about this if you want to keep sharing.

So I looked at your favorites and saw some beautiful pics of Heloiza Ferreira (who's awesome btw).

Now lets say that (1) she was born male and is now female and (2) is not a competitor, but just a strong muscular woman who likes posting up photos and modeling. I know that neither of these things are true, but just come along with me on this. A trans woman could 100% look just like her. Plenty of normies out there think that every FBB is trans.

Would this change the way that you see her? She lives in Brazil and is probably taken so it's not pretty much any of us are going to meet her or date her. Our only relationship with her is through the photos that she decides to post, and they are all focused on her muscles and physique.

If you knew that she was trans, could you no longer enjoy those same exact pictures? Would it ruin your entire experience on the site?

Pics sell a story of who the person is. There is obviously not enough information, so we must extrapolate and guess that story. When we like pics, I believe we actually like the story we imagined, not how the pixels are in the right place.

The more real information we get about the person, the more likely we are to find out we were wrong and sometimes decieved. This can be even more upseting when we realise the real story is not one we like.

2 examples that could upset some people (not all as it is based on preference):

• They realise the athlete was born male and is still not a biological woman
• They realise the athlete takes PED