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Also, I'm going through image reports right now and it's interesting how people's perception gets skewed by the amount of muscle most women on here have. Case in point, this image:
https://www.girlswithmuscle.com/2093296/
Looks natty, and those legs are definitely pretty muscular. Yet, reported for (literal quote) "no muscle".
So we're basically saying that any elite CrossFitter or FBB is bound to be using?
they're trying to win money, so yes.
people have used steroids for a LOT less. literally. for like no reason. just to do it. no benefits other than what the steroids can provide.
So we're basically saying that any elite CrossFitter or FBB is bound to be using?
Anybody involved in any professional strength sport where at the elite level the competition is so close that any microscopic advantage means $$$.
What do you think.
I'm surprised that anybody can even ask the question it's so obvious.
Let's say there were one politician who is genuinely honest but is mistaken to be on the take. Who would that be?
— Umm, no one. Zero. No such person.
So we're basically saying that any elite CrossFitter or FBB is bound to be using?
Yeah I’d say that sums it up pretty well.
Been this way for decades. I’m dating myself here but I was in high school in ‘92 and like half of the wrestling team got suspended for steroids.
This is pre-internet. Pre-email. Pre-shipments from India and SARMS from Florida and “wellness” MD’s prescribing injectable test.
It’s easy to get this stuff. It’s more effective than ever. And if you use in moderation, it’s pretty safe and manageable. Of course all these girls jump on it.
I was just joking. I think is funny how some people here can't see a slight sight of muscle in a girl without saying "PEDs!!". There's was someone is this thread saying that Erin Quinn "could" "maybe" be using something. Like, the girl is just lean and knows how to pose.
I presume this is the point you were getting at but that girl Lusita Leers is literally from before the era of PEDs.
Muscles_Toez - Amazing story from you. It's all just so dishonest. All the elites with sponsorship from gym wear companies, showing their routines, and showing protein etc. drinks in their pics, and behind the scenes, it doesn't matter what you wear what routine you follow, and what drink you consume, you will never look like them.
It's just VW cars all over again, pretending their diesel cars could perform, and pass the emissions tests, when it was all down to a software cheat.
Muscles_Toez - Amazing story from you. It's all just so dishonest. All the elites with sponsorship from gym wear companies, showing their routines, and showing protein etc. drinks in their pics, and behind the scenes, it doesn't matter what you wear what routine you follow, and what drink you consume, you will never look like them.
It's just VW cars all over again, pretending their diesel cars could perform, and pass the emissions tests, when it was all down to a software cheat.
That's just how the game it's played, and it's always been like that dating back to the 80s with bodybuilding magazines like Flex and Muscle & Fitness. The industry has always had its foundation on fast results where if you do X exercises your biceps will grow 3 inches, or if you take Y supplements that you'll get a six pack or whatever.
But when you think about it, deceptive and sensational marketing in the fitness industry is kind of a "chicken or the egg" kind of dilemma. There is a big reason why lots of people want to get fit and/or lose weight, but few do and fewer maintain their results, and there is a big reason why gym traffic spikes at the beginning of the year and tapers off only a month or two later. It's because as a whole, people want exceptional results and they want it fast without realizing or wanting to acknowledge that fitness is a lifelong journey with peaks and valleys. And as a society, we LIKE seeing mass monsters and exceptional performers, and that is reflected on how many subscribers those influencers get. People as a whole are just not interested in seeing natty fitness professionals giving practical and reasonable advice. I know a guy who is a very knowledgeable and educated fitness professional who decided to go the fitness influencer route. He was in great shape, but was still a natural lifter, and he struggled to get engagement because he was competing against guys who had far more exceptional physiques than he did even if those people weren't as qualified or educated as he was. Eventually, he jumped on the PED bandwagon and his likes and followers shot up dramatically.
We can blame the fitness industry for promoting lies, deception and snake oil. But I also think we as consumers are also to blame because they are only providing us the kind of content that we find most appealing and that we give the most engagement to. Hell, if you're American, think of Major League Baseball. When the league went on strike and the 1994 World Series was canceled, baseball was all but dead when it came back. It wasn't until the heavy hitters arrived and started launching balls out of the park and starting a Home Run race did the crowds and tv audiences come back. And if you are someone who makes a living off of your physique and athletic performance, you're going to do what it takes to generate the most engagement and attention.
CrossFit is just a new shade of lipstick on the pig. And really PEDS aside the methodology itself isn’t anything crazy. It was just timely and brilliant branding
@gatsby, I always knew Barry Bonds took PEDs but there were some deniers who defended him by saying he didn't. In his early days he was skinny trim and fit and was able to hit homeruns and steal bases. By the 02 World Series he was just big and hit hr. Also I agree on what the fans want to see about people wanting to see freaks and ped use.
The late 90's home run race was pretty exciting though.
I do remember a time in the late 90's/00s that creatine also got a bad rap (for a time) because some small amount of people were dying from it too.
Muscles_Toez - Amazing story from you. It's all just so dishonest. All the elites with sponsorship from gym wear companies, showing their routines, and showing protein etc. drinks in their pics, and behind the scenes, it doesn't matter what you wear what routine you follow, and what drink you consume, you will never look like them.
This is why fake natties are so awful.
As my user name suggests, I'm old. And I agree that the vast majority of these ladies are not completely natty, but I'm old. I can remember women who were definitely not juicing because it just was not available in the rural South in the 1970s.
Also, most of the women I'm thinking about did not lift weights, heck a LOT of football coaches still didn't believe in weight training then.
No, these girls were the gung-ho rodeo girls who handled old rectangular bales and did the rest of the care of their horses themselves. They hauled bags of feed and shoveled shit and carried it down to where it had to be dumped by in a wheelbarrow.
I don't think any of these girls got any help from dads or brothers, although dumb boyfriends sometimes helped. They did almost everything by themselves without any mechanical help i can remember and the biggest were as big as say Erin Quinn.
Today my fist thought if I was lucky enough to see a pretty rodeo girl like I would think she was not natty. So, I guess it sucks.
But I will say whatever women are doing is far more artful than it was even 20 years ago. I like women with some muscle. I guess I wouldn't be here otherwise and if the are using without hurting their health I'm not complaining.
God, I wish it had been like this when I was a kid!
God, I wish it had been like this when I was a kid!
you and me both, and my teens were only in the 00s.
If i was in high school now guarantee there would be at likease 15-20 girls that lift and one of them will be in great shape. And if they're 18 a good chance they have dabbled.
@gatsby, I always knew Barry Bonds took PEDs but there were some deniers who defended him by saying he didn't. In his early days he was skinny trim and fit and was able to hit homeruns and steal bases. By the 02 World Series he was just big and hit hr. Also I agree on what the fans want to see about people wanting to see freaks and ped use.
The late 90's home run race was pretty exciting though.
I do remember a time in the late 90's/00s that creatine also got a bad rap (for a time) because some small amount of people were dying from it too.
I have friends who are into baseball and - for real - believe that steroids started and ended with Barry Bonds.
Like he's the only guy who took them, he was handily caught in the act, and every other person heeds this warning and never dabbles in any PED's whatsoever because the risk is too great. Professional sports today are a natural meritocracy and no one would ever dream of using easily obtainable substances that make you faster, stronger, and better.
It's amazing. I don't know if its total ignorance of steroids or amazing PR by major league baseball but to think that professional athletes won't do anything within their power to get and maintain million dollar contracts is crazy to me.
> What about Ellen Akesson? She's not huge, and can even pass for normal if she's not flexing. She is a bit suspiciously strong though.
My vote is natty. We've all seen natty gymnasts more muscular than her.
And gymnast don't use. 🤨
And gymnast don't use. 🤨
Haha yeah for sure gymnasts use. You're totally right.
Steroids provide a basis for more strength, for muscle gain, and for fat loss. Taking them as a gymnast doesn't turn you into Angela Yeo. Taking them and following a strict hypertrophy training program and diet turns you into Angela Yeo.
Taking them as a gymnast turns you into a moderately stronger, buffer, and leaner gymnast.
Barry Bonds had some big arms but no one was gonna mistake him for Chris Bumstead.
And gymnast don't use. 🤨
Goodness gracious, that is not correct. I feel that there are still a lot of people here who want to believe that unless a woman is "big," that there is no way they could be on PEDS.
https://www.womenfitness.net/wp/wp-content/up... This is Mia St. John, a champion boxer. Obviously, you can tell she is fit, but she doesn't have the musculature of the women we see here. She (after her retirement, of course) admitted that she used PEDs during her boxing career, and said that "basically everybody does." She admitted to using anavar, winstrol, deca durablin along with masking agents and banned weight loss compounds.
It doesn't matter what sport an athlete is competing in or what their body type is. When you are competing at an elite level (and hell, it's still prominent in the collegiate and semi-pro levels,) you are going to see PED use.
Erasing the concept that drugs=cheating would fix most of this.
If any drug should be illegal it should alcohol.
I used the "random" function to look at a page of images, and below are the ones I think have a good chance of being natty.
and
possibly in this picture from 2012, certainly not in more recent ones.
All the others on this particular page were more obviously juicy.