Who IS Natural?

oh i didnt realize it was one year lmao. whats her athletic backgorund?

Also look at the before pic, compare to recent photos where her shoulders/upper body development is quite outa proportion almost... yet her previous shape showed 0 signs of an outstanding upper body. Could she be a hyper responder to lifting? Sure.. the odds thouh? Unlikely..

Also look at the before pic, compare to recent photos where her shoulders/upper body development is quite outa proportion almost... yet her previous shape showed 0 signs of an outstanding upper body. Could she be a hyper responder to lifting? Sure.. the odds thouh? Unlikely..

Her arms are nearly 16 inch. She claimed

Also, I believe that one of the biggest signs of a fake natty is someone who goes out of their way to insist that they are natty. I personally know a lot of lifters, both natty and enhanced, within my social circle, and nobody that was truly natural ever emphasized that they are natty.

This. Only fake natties go on about their natty-ness. Truly, nobody actually gives a fuck.

Is she natty? She claimed she is. She become like that in a year before she was skinny af 😂

If that's one year of gains. Extremely, extremely unlikely she is natural.

If that's one year of gains. Extremely, extremely unlikely she is natural.

Absolutely no way that she's natty. Great gains though.

I can't say for certain but I think the after shot is altered a little bit for larger peaks and lats. Though admittedly the angle and lighting are totally different

Yeah definitely not natty lmao

If that's one year of gains. Extremely, extremely unlikely she is natural.

Yeah, she's 100% natty... she found the magic dumbell, just put it under the pillow and next morning you'll have extra 4 inches on your biceps... I have one, but it works only on full naturals, you have to believe me, I swear.... hahahahah

Haters gonna say it's the juice!

She's one of the cleanest names in the industry. This is hard work, dedication and discipline. The problem is that a lot of guys feel insecure admitting when a women is clearly stronger and at a higher level of fitness than they are. It's easy to taint hard work and label all hard-working women like Natalia accusing for steroid use. Natalia definitely made herself a brand when it comes to natties in business. Sorry to disappoint but not all girls on here are on roids.

Haters gonna say it's the juice!

She's one of the cleanest names in the industry. This is hard work, dedication and discipline. The problem is that a lot of guys feel insecure admitting when a women is clearly stronger and at a higher level of fitness than they are. It's easy to taint hard work and label all hard-working women like Natalia accusing for steroid use. Natalia definitely made herself a brand when it comes to natties in business. Sorry to disappoint but not all girls on here are on roids.

For the record, I am 100% NOT a hater.

I think that PED's should be legal and regulated. I think they are a miracle of science. And of course, any kind of real hypertrophy requires an enormous amount of work and dedication.. particularly for women.

She's absolutely beautiful and she has an amazing physique. She has a lot to be proud of for sure!

That said, I don't believe for a second that those one-year gains were natural. But I don't attach any judgement whatsoever to that statement.

This is hard work, dedication and discipline.

It's easy to taint hard work and label all hard-working women

You do realize people who take PEDs work hard too right.

Natalia definitely made herself a brand when it comes to natties in business.

So did Dana Bailey.

I'll never hate on anyone in fitness unless, they lie about being natural, and mislead people. Then they can go fuck themselves.

Haters gonna say it's the juice!

She's one of the cleanest names in the industry. This is hard work, dedication and discipline. The problem is that a lot of guys feel insecure admitting when a women is clearly stronger and at a higher level of fitness than they are. It's easy to taint hard work and label all hard-working women like Natalia accusing for steroid use. Natalia definitely made herself a brand when it comes to natties in business. Sorry to disappoint but not all girls on here are on roids.

For someone with a name like “strengtholic,” you really don’t know how gaining strength works, do you?

Nobody is saying that the ladies who are using steroids are not “hard working.” They have to work hard, and since PEDs help with recovery they have true capacity to work even harder, to get physiques like we see here. Can that myth go away?

For someone with a name like “strengtholic,” you really don’t know how gaining strength works, do you?

Nobody is saying that the ladies who are using steroids are not “hard working.” They have to work hard, and since PEDs help with recovery they have true capacity to work even harder, to get physiques like we see here. Can that myth go away?

First of all, I know how gaining strength works and also I was trained by female trainers. Some of those trainers were on PEDs, some were not. Second, I didn't make a claim that you said women on roids or women working out are not hard working. I'm just pointing out to one of the very reputable names in the industry who is PED free. It is a myth that all women with enviable bodies are on PEDs.

First of all, I know how gaining strength works and also I was trained by female trainers. Some of those trainers were on PEDs, some were not. Second, I didn't make a claim that you said women on roids or women working out are not hard working. I'm just pointing out to one of the very reputable names in the industry who is PED free. It is a myth that all women with enviable bodies are on PEDs.

Posts like this really signal that this discussion has run its course. This guy is so convinced that a clearly non-natty woman is natty that he's making sanctimonious posts about haters.

When someone is so wrong yet so convinced they're right, you're basically playing chess against a pigeon.

And yet, we're constantly being told about the very low limits on women's strength and muscular development, that they can not exceed under any circumstances without illegal (for them) drugs--that a women couldn't be "that big" or "that strong" without male hormones. But users have, as a weird unstudied side effect of their drugs, an ability to tell exactly "how big" every woman can get (independent of the nature and length of her athletic background). I wonder how many of the site members ruling on what is "impossible" for women are women themselves. Any? (How would mere girls know better than men what their limitations are?)

Occasionally, we see "morphs" in which photographed women have been electronically enlarged, beyond their actual development. Is it possible to do a "reverse morph", so that the men who know girls' limitations could illustrate the maximum development of some of the "obviously definitely not natty" widdoo girlies here, beyond which anything is irrefutable proof of "juicing"?

Or perhaps someone could "morph" a "before" picture to show us what the subject's natural limit was, if she hadn't used PEDs. This requires not only the knowledge of the subject's limits but also proficiency in the use of the morphing software, which might not be a side effect of tren, anavar, or whatever.

We’re talking in circles now and I’m inclined to agree that the id has run its course