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Winstanley convinced me. We should arrest every single crossfitter. Finally, a sane and logical argument.
464,5000+ people who are criminals in addition to being liars and cheaters.
I don't think you meant to include that extra 0, so 464k? An amount so shocking that you expect this to bring us back to our senses? How many users of illegal recreational drugs, or as you would say criminals, do you think there are? A few billion? Your 464k estimate is off by a couple of orders of magnitude. People get hung up on competition. The majority of people that use PEDs don't compete in anything. They do it to look good and be stronger.
That includes the police officers who "do Crossfit" or compete at the Olympics.
Is that your closer? The fact that they're police officers precludes them from participating in illegal activites, so therefore police that participate in crossfit can't possible be using PEDs! Mic drop! Ummm... How can I break this to you gently? I've had cops talk about steroid use in front of me and have heard far more stories second hand. It's an open secret that a lot of them do it.
Please, go to a gym and educate yourself. Ask the serious looking lifters if they use. And if they're honest and say yes, make sure to call them cheaters and criminals. But do it right! You put those words in bold, so get a little spittle going and spray them as you let them know what you think. Report back what you learn.
Any other laws get you super hyped up?
That guy exists in a constant state of hyped up
That guy exists in a constant state of hyped up
I briefly perused his comment history and I'm concerned that he may be in need of a welfare check. He alternates between having an encyclopedic knowledge of Crossfit minutiae and acting really offended when someone suggests that an obvious steroid user is using steroids.
Winstanley convinced me. We should arrest every single crossfitter. Finally, a sane and logical argument.
Lets now get that Zarklephaser guy to come on board and write 87 paragraphs about why women would PSYCHOLOGICALLY want to take PED's and this thread is complete.
Lets now get that Zarklephaser guy to come on board and write 87 paragraphs about why women would PSYCHOLOGICALLY want to take PED's and this thread is complete.
You're getting dangerously close to fulfilling the conditions for Armageddon.
> How about her? She seems natural but I could be mistaken > >
There aren't many info on which to make any definite assumptions on this girl, if I personally were to bet on it I would say no, she is still 19 after all...
It wouldn't surprise me if Guusje van geel was nattural, leanbeefpatty too as they have worked out their whole life. Same with Serena abweh, most probably Monica granda, just maybe Marisa inda, Christy resendes when she was in her prime (although I don't think for a second she is anymore). Most of those just really know how to pose and have good insertions, especially leanbeefpatty, she has both those qualities + she is a bit on the shorter side so she might look bigger than she actually is.
Wait, you think Guusje Van Geel, leanbeefpatty, Serena Abweh, Monica Granda, Marisa Inda & Christy Resende are natural but not Meadow? Odd. Very odd indeed.
Genuinely still think Desi Johnson is natural (grey area about Clenbuterol possibly...).
Definitely think that Lisa Cross, Amazona, Tifani Wittman, Barbara Carita, Britani Parish and all of the jacked Crossfitters are as natural as the days they were all born. Honest, non-criminal, non-cheating types that they are.
Winstanley - bro, life's not fair, not everyone plays by the rules. We also could go down the rabbithole of who sets the rules and why.
Basically everyone is equal but no one is the same. We take opportunities to win or put ourselves in favourable positions in life.
I don't think you meant to include that extra 0, so 464k?
No, a typo for 464,500. Do the math. A gross underestimate, for the reasons described. The number of Crossfit Open participants who submitted videos of doing the three Open workouts is less than the number who registered for the event. And since you don't have to register for the Open to participate in Crossfit workouts at a Crossfit box (as facilities with certified Crossfit trainers who lead and coach scheduled group workouts are called; "gyms" in muscleheadspeak), or to do Crossfit workouts in a home gym, the number of PED-users-because-they-do-Crossfit is some multiple of the number of Open competitors. I have no idea what that is; 1.5 would seem to be a conservative estimatee, which would mean 680,000. Likewise for the Olympians. If there's just one PED-using Olympic hopeful for every PED user who makes it to the games, that's 23,000. I expect that the pool of Olympic aspirants is a lot larger than that, but of course some of them might be doomed to frustration because they're not using PEDs; all we know for certain (or so I've been told here and elsewhere) is that everyone who does compete at the Olympics is a PED user.
An amount so shocking that you expect this to bring us back to our senses?
Your 464k estimate is off by a couple of orders of magnitude.
Again, do the math (or, rather, the simple arithmetic), or look up the data yourself. The number of men and women who registered for the Crossfit Open can be found on the last page of the 2023 Crossfit Open Leaderboard (https://games.crossfit.com/leaderboard/open/2...), separately for the men's and women's divisions. To find the number who actually submitted videos of all three workouts and were scored, you have to go back a large number of pages. I wouldn't for a moment suggest that a single one of them isn't a PED user, just as I wouldn't suggest that a single Olympics participant isn't.
Is that your closer? The fact that they're police officers precludes them from participating in illegal activites, so therefore police that participate in crossfit can't possible be using PEDs!
No, no, it's the other way around--get with the religion here! If they're doing Crossfit, they are perforce using PEDs. You don't need to ask--if you know a police officer "does Crossfit", then you know that he or she is using PEDs. A police officer who doesn't "do Crossfit" might or might not be using PEDs. To determine that, you need to see the officer, or a picture of the officer, in a sufficient state of undress to determine whether his or her muscle size exceeds the officer's natural limits--which you know for every individual. But in a full long-sleeved uniform, you might not able to make the requisite assessment.
No, a typo for 464,500. Do the math. A gross underestimate, for the reasons described. The number of Crossfit Open participants who submitted videos of doing the three Open workouts is less than the number who registered for the event. And since you don't have to register for the Open to participate in Crossfit workouts at a Crossfit box (as facilities with certified Crossfit trainers who lead and coach scheduled group workouts are called; "gyms" in muscleheadspeak), or to do Crossfit workouts in a home gym, the number of PED-users-because-they-do-Crossfit is some multiple of the number of Open competitors. I have no idea what that is; 1.5 would seem to be a conservative estimatee, which would mean 680,000. Likewise for the Olympians. If there's just one PED-using Olympic hopeful for every PED user who makes it to the games, that's 23,000. I expect that the pool of Olympic aspirants is a lot larger than that, but of course some of them might be doomed to frustration because they're not using PEDs; all we know for certain (or so I've been told here and elsewhere) is that everyone who does compete at the Olympics is a PED user.
Again, do the math (or, rather, the simple arithmetic), or look up the data yourself. The number of men and women who registered for the Crossfit Open can be found on the last page of the 2023 Crossfit Open Leaderboard (https://games.crossfit.com/leaderboard/open/2...), separately for the men's and women's divisions. To find the number who actually submitted videos of all three workouts and were scored, you have to go back a large number of pages. I wouldn't for a moment suggest that a single one of them isn't a PED user, just as I wouldn't suggest that a single Olympics participant isn't.
No, no, it's the other way around--get with the religion here! If they're doing Crossfit, they are perforce using PEDs. You don't need to ask--if you know a police officer "does Crossfit", then you know that he or she is using PEDs. A police officer who doesn't "do Crossfit" might or might not be using PEDs. To determine that, you need to see the officer, or a picture of the officer, in a sufficient state of undress to determine whether his or her muscle size exceeds the officer's natural limits--which you know for every individual. But in a full long-sleeved uniform, you might not able to make the requisite assessment.
**Please Relax Winstanley. If you have an issue then either PM the person directly or start your own thread. I started this thread last year with the intention of enjoyment and discussion. Let's keep it that way.
Personally, everything on this forum is opinion-based. Don't let it get to you that others' feel differently.**
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You see that baby face? Surely she wouldn't lie to us................right? RIGHT?!?!?
You see that baby face? Surely she wouldn't lie to us................right? RIGHT?!?!?
I mean... I guess she's simply saying that it's not anavar.
Now if the question was "so you're doing this without Wistrol??" then her answer might be different.
> > What. Link to this study?
I'm familiar with a similar study, but I think he's getting the details wrong.
IIRC, the study demonstrated that using steroids without lifting would still increase muscle mass and reduce body fat. It did not demonstrate that using steroids without lifting would build more muscle than lifting without steroids because that doesn't make sense.
That's what they put in the conclusion, that steroids promote muscle growth with or without exercise. The numbers show that the gains from roids alone were greater than the gains from exercise alone.
This is one of those things people get upset about because it should not be true... but it is.
Lyle McDonald summarizes the main findings in this article: https://bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/ana...
That's what they put in the conclusion, that steroids promote muscle growth with or without exercise. The numbers show that the gains from roids alone were greater than the gains from exercise alone.
This is one of those things people get upset about because it should not be true... but it is.
Lyle McDonald summarizes the main findings in this article: https://bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/ana...
It must have been an incredibly light exercise regimen then. Steroids promoting muscle growth with or without exercise is absolutely factual, but the bit about using steroids and doing nothing promoting more growth than a proper lifting regimen is what I'm calling bullshit on. The findings are being misinterpreted or the sample size is flawed or the study is improperly constructed, etc.
Wait, you think Guusje Van Geel, leanbeefpatty, Serena Abweh, Monica Granda, Marisa Inda & Christy Resende are natural but not Meadow? Odd. Very odd indeed.
No, I said if I were to bet on it I would say not natty. I don't know her training history as it's not publically available, while I do know those I mentioned worked their asses out for their whole life and might be natty. Again, I have never said I am 100% sure, it would be stupid to even think it, I only said "it wouldn't surprise me".
It's usually a safe bet to assume that a 19yo girl with that kind of muscle mass is on something if you don't know her starting point and for how long she has trained.
You can always be proven wrong but Meadow is bigger and has better conditioning than all the girls I mentioned if my eyes don't deceive me. As for Mandy, even with peds (which she is most probably taking) she has freaky genetics.
It must have been an incredibly light exercise regimen then. Steroids promoting muscle growth with or without exercise is absolutely factual, but the bit about using steroids and doing nothing promoting more growth than a proper lifting regimen is what I'm calling bullshit on. The findings are being misinterpreted or the sample size is flawed or the study is improperly constructed, etc.
Yeah, I'm still having a hard time buying that. There seems to be a lot of room for error in that study.
Oh mandy is actually a usapl powerlifter, that's supposed to be one of the best tested organisations. She must be on the shorter side though...
Btw yes that study talked about weight gain, it doesn't necessarily mean muacle though, testosterone causes more water retention so the weight gained even by the group who wasn't working out was not all muscle at all.
It's not the first and only study that says this but assessing the right change in body composition is not easy, so the only thing we can do is report the whole weight itself.
Regarding the last three posts, Anavar was developed to prevent muscle atrophy (loss of muscle mass) in patients who could not exercise, because they were in comas or otherwise immobilized. The clinical trial showed that it worked for that purpose, and it's approved for use with immobilized patients. That's why it's a Class III drug in the U.S.--potential for dependence but with some limited medical use under supervision--and why licensed physicians are allowed to prescribe it under limited circumstances (and patients can then possess it legally). Some cattle farmers (at least; I don't know about hog raisers) have fed it to their animals to speed muscle (= meat) growth or promote muscle growth among practically immobilized stock.
Apparently, bodybuilders and, as we know from sites like this one, all kinds of athletes, think that they gain more muscle or gain muscle faster by using it in conjunction with exercise. To test that proposition thoroughly would require a group of test subjects with equivalent exercise histories who would all engage in exactly the same training regimen, randomly assigned to treatment and placebo groups without the knowledge of the participants or the personnel administering the drug (the "placebo" subjects would get tablets that look exactly like the treatment but don't contain the drug). That would be illegal in the U.S. and elsewhere and all of the subjects would be at risk of disqualification from most organized sports if their participation became known, so it would be difficult to enroll subjects. The trial would have to be large enough to wash out genetic variations, or be limited to identical twins.
Fortunately, use of some PEDS imparts, as a side effect, the ability positively to identify users by observation of photographs of them, and we have druggies here who have acquired that ability.
Winstanley is just some..ultra weird clueless type who has gotten really upset over girls on juice being pointed out :shrug: