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No roids would be great. But that's not realistic. I passed by a post with a graph that was a good representation. But I have observed that time should be added to that graph. A woman will typically start with an eating disorder and super skinny. She starts lifting, people help her and get her stuff and she gets jacked fast. A woman can get real close to her biggest and then shreds it all out and has gotten prettier. She has maybe a year and then the juice, the lifting, the sun, and the time start taking a terrible toll. But in that one special year she is supreme.
So until there is some sort of CRISPR treatment that hypertrophizes a lady's muscle without giving her the man jaw, deep voice, etc. (thus giving us the long sought after "Tetsuko in real life") there are levels of PED side effects I'll have to accept when thirsting up muscle babes.
Some people actually are born with mysotatin deficiency. Remember baby/toddler with huge muscles. One of the babies mom has one of the genes but her son has 2 different mutation. but in the scientific paper mentions she appeared muscular but not excessively. Maybe someday science figure out a way to surpress mysostation safely. I think they are trying to achieve this already for fighting with muscle degenerating illnesses.
As I've mentioned elsewhere, Ana Leonova's face, for instance, is really starting to puff up. But for me, the question is whether it's roids or simply getting older.
Melissa Brodsky too, she's in her early to mid 20s and her face is completely puffy even when lean.
It actually isn't. Not even on a biological level. Certain features in an average woman cause a certain type of reaction in an average man. I would not go as far as to say that muscles are always masculine, because a fit woman does not necessarily look like a man. But muscles by themselves are definitely not feminine.
If looking at a body causes a surge of stress hormones, such as adrenaline and cortisol, then it technically isn't a sexual arousal. Many masochists for example feel first and foremost this kind of arousal and only secondarily a sexual one. Feminine by definition is what causes a purely sexual arousal.
I think you're just nitpicking at semantics at this point.
Are not all muscles on biological females feminine by definition? You could argue that deep voices and body hair are 'masculine traits' and I would somewhat agree but there is still a subjective range of tolerance. How deep a voice? How much hair? Many women have natural deep voices and natural hair, are those not femninine?
I'll use Emily Schubert as an example. I think everything thing about her is feminine/female. That's my subjective opinion. Her body is in no way masculine.
You can get out your psychology textbook and try to explain to me how wrong I am but I'm not going to change my mind.
They're both cute and feminine girls
Your subjective opinion, you're not wrong.
I know guys who would look at Lea and consider her manly. We all have a different threshold. Simple concept, that's all I was saying from the start.
Not trying to start a gender debate.
What I find interesting but heavily disagree with is the idea that you could "gift" femininity to someone by your words.
Yet it's ok for you to do it apparently.
Anyway this is a circular conversation now. (I think.. honestly most of what you wrote either has no relevance or makes no sense.)
Sorry everyone for the derailment.
Your subjective opinion, you're not wrong.
I know guys who would look at Lea and consider her manly. We all have a different threshold. Simple concept, that's all I was saying from the start.
Not trying to start a gender debate.
Yet it's ok for you to do it apparently.
Anyway this is a circular conversation now. (I think.. honestly most of what you wrote either has no relevance or makes no sense.)
Sorry everyone for the derailment.
Apology accepted. 😂
Did I understand correctly that it turns out technically attraction to muscular women can be described in this way. There are separate categories of "femininity" and "muscularity". At the same time, both are completely non-abstract, "femininity" is absolutely certain features individually or in combination. Like "muscular", it's a very specific image with very specific cultural connotations.
Muscular = healthy. Muscular = strong. Muscular = able to stand up for himself.
And of course Muscular = man, but here those who like muscular women, there is a decrease in the significance of this association.
In terms of neural networks, for us, specific but individual for each markers of femininity have a very large weight, positive OUTSIDE sex markers of "muscularity" have a very large weight, but the marker "muscular = male" is so weakened that it is ignored. We simply do not see it.
Actually, the whole conflict - "I like muscular women = gay", comes from the side in which this marker, on the contrary, dominates.
For them, muscular is really only a man, even if it is a woman.
5% less attractive?? How the heck did you come up with that scale or is that a derivative branch of thought of schmoe logic?
Slightly less attractive? Is that better? 🙄
I don't mind the idea that nearly all the women on this site use PEDs. Obviously, it can have adverse effects and make someone less attractive, but that's their business.
It only starts to bother me when I ponder making the fantasy of being with an exceptionally muscular woman into a reality -- I don't think I'd want to be in a relationship with someone who was using PEDs. But, there are plenty of other reasons I probably wouldn't want a relationship with the type of woman on this site, including how obsessed with fitness and body image they are, how focused on social media and approval of others many are, not to mention how very few of them are likely to be into me, for plenty of reasons! So in the end the PEDs are only a minor speed bump on that fantasy road...
I don't mind the idea that nearly all the women on this site use PEDs. Obviously, it can have adverse effects and make someone less attractive, but that's their business.
It only starts to bother me when I ponder making the fantasy of being with an exceptionally muscular woman into a reality -- I don't think I'd want to be in a relationship with someone who was using PEDs. But, there are plenty of other reasons I probably wouldn't want a relationship with the type of woman on this site, including how obsessed with fitness and body image they are, how focused on social media and approval of others many are, not to mention how very few of them are likely to be into me, for plenty of reasons! So in the end the PEDs are only a minor speed bump on that fantasy road...
Most sensible answer in this whole thread! While I would certainly treasure a one night stand with one of these women, I don't think I could handle the pressures of a long-term relationship with one.
I don't mind the idea that nearly all the women on this site use PEDs. Obviously, it can have adverse effects and make someone less attractive, but that's their business.
It only starts to bother me when I ponder making the fantasy of being with an exceptionally muscular woman into a reality -- I don't think I'd want to be in a relationship with someone who was using PEDs. But, there are plenty of other reasons I probably wouldn't want a relationship with the type of woman on this site, including how obsessed with fitness and body image they are, how focused on social media and approval of others many are, not to mention how very few of them are likely to be into me, for plenty of reasons! So in the end the PEDs are only a minor speed bump on that fantasy road...
It would be hard on me to know that someone I really cared about was doing things that could seriously damage their health. To alter Billy Crystal's line in When Harry Met Sally, when you've decided that you want to spend the rest of your life with someone, you want the rest of both your lives to last as long as possible.
A little late to the party.
This is another one of the usual threads that a bunch of fetishists, schmoes and semi normal dudes try to make sense of women's PED use.
Never going to happen in a million threads. Pointless discussion.
Do you want to make some sense out of it? Entitled to an opinion will only be men who have at least 6 months of hard gym training and nutrition. No steroids needed.
Only then you are allowed to post in similar topics.
A little late to the party.
This is another one of the usual threads that a bunch of fetishists, schmoes and semi normal dudes try to make sense of women's PED use.
Never going to happen in a million threads. Pointless discussion.
Do you want to make some sense out of it? Entitled to an opinion will only be men who have at least 6 months of hard gym training and nutrition. No steroids needed.
Only then you are allowed to post in similar topics.
This comment says more about you than it does anyone else. We aren't trying to "make sense" of women's PED use. Read the title of the thread. It's about personal (individual) preferences vis-a-vis PED use. You don't determine what we're "allowed" to do. Thanks for trying.
It+s somehow indeed a question that easily drifts off into phantasy, hm? I love the thought of ladies that could possibly overpower me (and I'm a gorilla). Powerhouses like Danni Speegle come to my mind. She's still having a nice voice (not deeper than mine) but emits that power that I cherish. I admire ladies like Valentina Mishina, too, but ... yea... like someone said above: Her voice would dig into my mind and tell me: she did too much to her body.
SO, it's damn hard to tell, like: Sure, use a bit of drugs but stay feminine in voice and face and don't harm yourself? If that's not possible I really would prefer a natural strength, because somehow I prefer healthy people over fantasy.