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Yeah. For me I think thereâs a few things going on here.
1) I absolutely agree that OF (not intentionally) takes advantage of men. In the end itâs our choice whether to spend the money or Joey but many men are in really bad spots mentally and paying for attention from women may be the only way they are getting any at all, even if itâs from a bot. I posted to an interview with an escorted and she admitted that many men hire her just for a personal connection and to be vulnerable to a woman. I think a valid criticism at the moment is women want men to be vulnerable with them, but in the right ways she wants, and not too much, or they get kicked to the curb.
2) that said: women are free to do what they want, and I think she and others that say no are speaking from portions of advantage. Would her answer be the same if she didnât have a PhD, a large following, a couple of businesses or streams of income? What about the women who make a choice and turn their lives around from terrible situations?
3) I think itâs disingenuous, as mentioned, to fault women for selling their image when she does it too. Her highest engagement posts are likely any of the photoshoot ones where she posts about feeling feminine and loving her body, not the education or training posts, aside from any viral living ones. I would also argue that getting implants is counter to loving yourself as you are, or any kind of Botox work.
4) the third wave feminists are dragging her in the comments. Sheâs probably closer to a second wave: women empowerment but not at any cost
Sheâs also saying she wants to pave a way for a new feminism which sounds a lot like second wave to me.
Funny that both waves resort tk the same stuff
If a woman wants to be a stay at home mom third waves will try and drag her for upholding the patriarchy.
If a woman wants to sell her tits online second wavers will bash her promiscuity.
Used to like Stefi, but she has really been rubbing me the wrong way as of recent.
purport to be all about body acceptance.
I have no issues with body acceptance nor do I have issues with athletes and people in fitness talking about it. However, it comes across as very disingenuous when you say that, but constantly post pictures which show your ripped steroid-enhanced physique in ideal lighting and posing and in pretty much perfect condition. And again, I have no issues with showing off your physique, but it sounds silly to write something "all bodies are good bodies, love your body for how it looks" while being like "look at my ripped abs and look at my swole arms. LOOK AT HOW FUCKIN' MUSCULAR I AM" in the accompanied picture.
<<I got offered $40k just to join the platform plus bonuses. JUST MY 2 CENTS⊠(keep in mind this is simply MY views and MY opinions and in no way is making assumptions or being judge mental of others.)
You think I donât want that money? Fuck yes I do. You know how nice it would be to rack up a few hunnys?!
Iâm a woman of principles though, and in the end of the day all I have is my word; to myself and others. I canât justify taking the path of least resistance.>>
To be successful on OnlyFans is serious work for 99% of the people who are earning good money on the platform.
A $40,000 signup bonus is wild, though.
<<I got offered $40k just to join the platform plus bonuses. JUST MY 2 CENTS⊠(keep in mind this is simply MY views and MY opinions and in no way is making assumptions or being judge mental of others.)
I keep saying this time and time again. Saying something like "I am not being judgmental" doesn't absolve you from passing judgement (or for that matter doing whatever it is you say that you are not doing.) A disclaimer doesn't mean jack shit, and I can't imagine someone as smart as her being dumb enough to think that.
Oh, and you're totally bragging when you mention being offered $40K. You know what would have been a much better way to address this? By saying "I was offered to do Onlyfans, but I declined. I'm not interested in doing that." Simple, gets to the point and doesn't pass judgement on anybody. But instead, she had to get on her self moralizing high horse by going "I'm a woman of principles." God, what a bunch of fucking cringe.
> This isnât a promotion or suggestion but I recommend people watch this vid, read her caption and then read through some of the comments here, kind of illuminating for what some women vs other think: > > https://www.instagram.com/reel/CoZEfy3gw1h/?i...
I watched that video and I highly disagree.
She is free to do what she wants when it comes to having an OF (or in her case, not to have one.) However, the way she talked about it really looked down on those who choose to do OF (or really any kind of fetish or sex work.)
Sex is a healthy thing, and having fetishes is a perfectly normal thing. There is nothing wrong with consenting adults doing sexual things with other consenting adults, and that includes doing sex and fetish work. I don't know why there is such a culture of trying to moralize or repress it.
And if we're being honest, Stefi clearly knows that there are men attracted to muscular women like her, and she intentionally shows off her physique with the knowledge that that is going to generate clicks, and that a good chunk of those clicks are going to come from men who are into that. Let me reiterate that there is nothing wrong with doing that, but she shouldn't go around and start looking down on those who have OF accounts. And I could be wrong, but every time I see videos like that, it comes across as them saying "hey, I am better than you because I would NEVER stoop to lowering myself to that level." It's really a shitty outlook.
Spot on. Couldn't agree more on all points. She's allowed to do what she wants, but pretending like much of her appeal is not sex work adjacent is disingenuous. Looking down on women who decide to formally monetize that (and the men who willingly participate) is hypocritical.
âWith all due respectâŠâ
âŠsays something absolutely disrespectful
<<I got offered $40k just to join the platform plus bonuses. JUST MY 2 CENTS⊠(keep in mind this is simply MY views and MY opinions and in no way is making assumptions or being judge mental of others.)
You think I donât want that money? Fuck yes I do. You know how nice it would be to rack up a few hunnys?!
Iâm a woman of principles though, and in the end of the day all I have is my word; to myself and others. I canât justify taking the path of least resistance.>>
To be successful on OnlyFans is serious work for 99% of the people who are earning good money on the platform.
A $40,000 signup bonus is wild, though.
Thing is, she's painting Onlyfans as some kind of monolith. And it's as consistent as any social media site. As in not consistent at all (as we know).
Onlyfans isn't paying her $40k to start. I'm sure that this offer (if it's real) came from a content management company along the lines of HerBiceps. She gets cash up front in exchange for a certain amount of content, which is almost certainly explicit. So turning that down is turning down actual sex work.
But there's NOTHING stopping her from making an OF and doing whatever she wants. She doesn't have to have sex. She doesn't even have to be topless. If she made posts where she flexed like crazy and bragged about how muscular she is and did personal shoutouts, she'd still be earning beaucoup dollars given her following.
Honestly, I think her posturing is a gross humblebrag of "I'm so hot that people are throwing money at me, but I'm also too principled and virtuous to take it. oF cOUrse I'm not trying to critisize those who do sex work tho, that's like their choice and yay for them"
Whatever, I think she's boring and insanely overrated. The second coming of Dana Linn Bailey for me. Yawn.
Funny you say that: DLB is in the comments with a short agreement.
The woman who built a clothing and supplement empire on her body and image , lied about being natty, and is now a millionaire lmao. She predates the sex work boom but if she was down on her luck right now would she consider it?
Funny you say that: DLB is in the comments with a short agreement.
The woman who built a clothing and supplement empire on her body and image , lied about being natty, and is now a millionaire lmao. She predates the sex work boom but if she was down on her luck right now would she consider it?
Hard to say... I guess she would if she was doing subscription sites back then. Not sure I've ever seen her in the porn-ish places but then again I wouldn't have been looking. She's definitely not my type.
I really resent these people looking down on the likes of Chelsea Dion and Angela Yeo and Melinda Lindmark. There's zero things wrong with an independent and strong woman owning her own image and selling her sensuality in a consensual way to men who willingly pay for it.
Of course much of DLB and Cohen's fame is due to their constant, nonstop display and celebration of nearly their entire body. There's nothing wrong with that, just like there's nothing wrong with women who choose themselves to take things further.
a question i always like to have in the back of my head before i interact--if they weren't hot, would they be this successful? --in terms of influencers.
Men can be successful by being hot, but if they're not hot they can be funny or entertaining.
I think it's a bit more difficult for women if they're going the influencer route. Being hot is easy mode in that case, and being entertaining or funny or informative or anything else is a secondary, though in terms of longevity the better you are at those things the better your chances are to make money. But women can hit that saturation level a lot faster than guys.
I'm remembering specifically about Ellie Baerwolf, who posted one trap vid and went from like 700 followers to 300k in like two weeks. Feels like men rarely get that kind of explosion.
Anyone tried Serena Abweh's OF? Seems like she just recently opened one
i'm told it's not good, but let me also share something she i guess sends out, and i think this will answer any questions:
a question i always like to have in the back of my head before i interact--if they weren't hot, would they be this successful? --in terms of influencers.
Men can be successful by being hot, but if they're not hot they can be funny or entertaining.
I think it's a bit more difficult for women if they're going the influencer route. Being hot is easy mode in that case, and being entertaining or funny or informative or anything else is a secondary, though in terms of longevity the better you are at those things the better your chances are to make money. But women can hit that saturation level a lot faster than guys.
I'm remembering specifically about Ellie Baerwolf, who posted one trap vid and went from like 700 followers to 300k in like two weeks. Feels like men rarely get that kind of explosion.
Fundamental difference of the two genders right there.
In a very gross generalization, women are prized for their looks & men are prized for their accomplishments.
Kim Kardashian can be famous for her body and for her facial beauty in a way that even the best looking man on Earth never could.
Elon Musk can be egotistical and boastful about his success and he's loved for it, while an equally successful woman would be seen as an unpleasant bitch.
Check out the top Instagram accounts...
Cristiano Ronaldo (@cristiano) Lionel Messi (@leomessi). ... Kylie Jenner (@kyliejenner) Selena Gomez (@selenagomez). ... Dwayne Johnson (@therock). ... Ariana Grande (@arianagrande). ... Kim Kardashian (@kimkardashian). ... Beyoncé (@beyonce). Khloé Kardashian (@khloekardashian)
i'm told it's not good, but let me also share something she i guess sends out, and i think this will answer any questions:
Dafuq?
I mean, I love feet but plenty of guys find them to be a total turnoff. Who would pay to see a body part that they don't want to see just for the possibility of seeing more? Like start with biceps or something, everyone likes those.
that list is crazy too because all the men have accomplishments--Ronaldo and Messi are two of the GOATS at what they do, and Messi is THE GOAT. The ROck is the rock, look at the sucess he's had building his image over 30 years.
For the women only three of them can back up their fame with talent, and none of them are the Kardashians or Jenners.
Which is wild too, because stefi has PhD and is a world recording setting (holding, still?) powerlifter, has a business, so she has accomplishments to back herself up along with the looks.
that list is crazy too because all the men have accomplishments--Ronaldo and Messi are two of the GOATS at what they do, and Messi is THE GOAT. The ROck is the rock, look at the sucess he's had building his image over 30 years.
For the women only three of them can back up their fame with talent, and none of them are the Kardashians or Jenners.
Which is wild too, because stefi has PhD and is a world recording setting (holding, still?) powerlifter, has a business, so she has accomplishments to back herself up along with the looks.
Sadly it be like that.
And Steffi just really appeals to guys who like tough and jacked girls. Sheâs likely be far more famous if she had the facial beauty of DLB.
Meanwhile the menâs bodybuilding winners post-Arnold are all trying to outdo themselves in the ugliness department but no one cares because we just focus on their physique and accomplishments. Hadi seriously looks like a hyper muscular garden gnome.
a question i always like to have in the back of my head before i interact--if they weren't hot, would they be this successful? --in terms of influencers.
I think you know the answer to this question. Looks absolutely matter, especially when it comes to women. The fitness industry has always catered to their number one priority of why you should be fit, which is to look good naked. The other (mostly for men) is to lift super heavy weight. Fitness is very image based, and posts that cater to those two factors get far more engagement than posts that are geared toward fitness being good for health reasons like decreased blood pressure, lower cholesterol, etc. This is even further compounded by the fact that many influencers are doing things that are actually pretty unhealthy (think PED use, overtraining, highly restrictive diets, and so on). Being into fitness myself, I know of so many highly skilled and knowledgeable trainers, coaches and nutritionists who actually care about helping clients reach their goals and in setting realistic expectations with them. They don't get anywhere as near as much web traffic as those famous influencers, however, because they don't have a PED enhanced physique, or they don't rely on their physical appearance.) I remember reading a story about one trainer who was struggling to get more Instagram followers, and when he jumped on the PED wagon and got bigger and more ripped, his numbers soared AND he got more clients.
DLB got successful for four reasons: she trains very hard and has her nutrition dialed down (can't dismiss that,) she is "conventionally attractive," she got into the industry at just the right time when there wasn't the competition that there is now, and of course, that she enhanced her physique with PEDs (even though she claims natty, we know better.) If you took away the last three factors (assuming she still trains very hard and eats clean,) yes, she would have followers and would absolutely look fit, but she wouldn't have anywhere near the numbers that she does now.
DLB got successful for four reasons: she trains very hard and has her nutrition dialed down (can't dismiss that,) she is "conventionally attractive," she got into the industry at just the right time when there wasn't the competition that there is now, and of course, that she enhanced her physique with PEDs (even though she claims natty, we know better.) If you took away the last three factors (assuming she still trains very hard and eats clean,) yes, she would have followers and would absolutely look fit, but she wouldn't have anywhere near the numbers that she does now.
can't forget timing, too, she's been on IG since early, early, so she has staying power there too. Obviously in fitness land (and with PEDs) health plays a long part of it and since she hasn't done anything wild she has kept herself healthy and more appealing to the larger mass of the middle in terms of what's "acceptable".
Brain damage from boxing?
Or brain damage from repelling the Orc assault on Helms Deep with her fellow dwarven folk.
Jesus, Iâm not usually this mean but she really pissed me off.
i'm told it's not good, but let me also share something she i guess sends out, and i think this will answer any questions:
So, she's using OF's platform to try to undermine OF while ON OF? Man, that's some low-vibration shit right there. Easy 'no' for me.
That said, I see Payton has turned off the free subscription and is now asking $10/month.
<<10:59 am $35 not paid yet>>
For 3 pictures>> Yeah, that "yet" has been upgraded to no not NEVAH.
<<_legallystrong What about calling another woman a đ when you purport to be all about body acceptance and the like? Is that virtuous? A better contribution to society? Iâve stood up for you before on posts about chiro and other training-related things but you donât deserve other women propping you up when you donât act in kind. >>
She's being appropriately dragged. The great irony is that when someone makes a supposedly moral stand on something while tiptoeing on the other side of the line, the stans who cape up for them rarely buy enough of what they're selling to keep the grift viable. Yes, some get lucky, that's true. But most do not.