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As with everything in life you have to take the good with the bad. Whether it's GWM, Saradas or any other FBB community there remains an unhealthy level of admiration towards these women. Evident from the comments section for the pictures here, the forums at Saradas, social media, and certain Discords. People will bend over backwards in attempt to gain the respect of these women, their acknowledgement, or whatever the case may be. Worse yet, once an FBB actually feigns interest then they're elevated to "goddess" status within the community and become untouchable. They can do no wrong and will be defended no matter what.
To be fair, this type of behavior is not something specific to this community. You see the same thing elsewhere as well, most notably Twitch.
But, that's just how it goes and it's something we all have to learn to accept. There will be double standards, they will be protected, coddled, etc.
Are female athletes special protected in this forum? I'm asking this question because a thread got closed after I criticised an athlete who is also a user here. If you don't want that kind of discussion I would appreciate if you could make it clear. I am not interested in investing my time into threads that are not welcome. If you think protecting some girls (so they stay here) is more important than a vivid discussion than please tell us.
After reading your thread that was closed down (and it should have been), you're a dick.
Special Treatment or not, there are unspoken rules about how we treat others, they're unspoken and unwritten because we should instinctively know where the boundaries sit.
Your only valid point is that these models walk a fine line between overt sexual and borderline sexual content to make money. This is true and anyone who puts themselves in the public arena must be prepared for idiots like you attacking them being there in the first place.
TL;DR - you're a dick. Stop wasting the adult's time and go back to pornhub.
> > I wouldn't run this type of site, but if I did I wouldn't care about making money off of it. Not knocking Chainer for doing so, but the fact is when advertisers start to meddle in how a site is run it's hardly ever to the benefit of the community.
For real? What about just being respectful to each other? What is so unreasonable about HBC's request?
Further, what is wrong if athletes are "protected?" They don't come here to catch extra attitude from entitled males. They come here as a part of a community that enjoys a certain pastime/hobby/interest. That "protection" is what it takes to make this a place they might want to come and visit every now and then.
If the purpose of this site were to make money, things would be so different. Take a look around the internet. If folks really want to be "free" to be rude and disrespectful, there are many other sites out there with a lot more ads and much more bad behavior.
I never said it was unreasonable, I said it was illogical, there's a significant difference. It's reasonable to want to take action towards this particular problem. It's illogical to think this is the solution. People, unfortunately, have been doing this long before GWM was even popular and it will continue to happen elsewhere. If it wasn't about money and they really cared then they would level with these women when they apply. Tell them it's highly likely that people they'll be camming with already know their real name and may expose it on their social or elsewhere on the internet. If they're uncomfortable with that, then it's in their best interest to not cam. That's the blunt reality of the situation. So why not be honest if it's really about protecting them. Why mislead them?
To give these women the false illusion that their identity can be protected is simply taking advantage of them.
And again, I never said it was right or wrong, it just is and it's something that's purely preference. However, I think you're being a bit naive if you think that's what keeps them away. Realistically what are they really going to discuss here?
Wow, Tall, thatâs an awful lot to unpack in your last couple of posts.
Protecting someoneâs anonymity and respecting their privacy are two different things. I donât think anyone believes anonymity can be 100% protected. Privacy, itâs a different matter.
âFairâ and âequalâ are not the same thing. Itâs true, sorry to say, you are not equal to an FBB who visits this place.
However, that doesnât mean you are treated unfairly here.
Given that you seem to observe this behavior across multiple platforms, it might suggest that this is a fundamental attribute of social interactionâŚ
> > Dude... If you ran a site and someone paid you money to advertise their own website, you would accommodate their requests. I commend chainer for not going on a banning spree cause some of you users are straight up annoying.
The reason for protecting them (money as you imply) doesn't change the fact they're being protected. Nor is it an admirable reason given HBC's history and how illogical this particular request is. I wouldn't run this type of site, but if I did I wouldn't care about making money off of it. Not knocking Chainer for doing so, but the fact is when advertisers start to meddle in how a site is run it's hardly ever to the benefit of the community. That's just how it is everywhere, not saying it's right or wrong. There is no right or wrong decision in this situation, it's merely preference.
Running a website isnt free so saying you wouldnt run ads if it was your website is just silly tbh. It has nothing to do with being a white knight for fbbs. God forbid we accommodate the fbbs when its literally the very reason we are on this site. I am sure some of the girls just dont want tied to hbc and dont wanna get spammed with the "can you throat lift a 40kg man" question, or better yet be added by a bunch of mindless idiots who comment the weirdest shit on their personal accounts. Imagine having someone see the dms and its just spammed with let me buy your used underwear and please call me a sissy bitch. You get the picture now? Also in reply to your last post, I am sure its fairly easy to stay anonymous if they really want to. The options to make it happen are there so idk why you made it sound so complicated.
NinjaMan85 is not just Dylan's Discord Admin, he is also the guy who posted sexual flavored comments under her pictures at GWM when she was still a minor. And the owner of GWM had no problem with these or other similar comments - for many years! But now Mr. Chainer is an arbiter of moral. What an amazing transformation. It's like when Saul became Paul. But I will follow your advice and leave this place of pure hypocracy. Of course you want that the spoiled young muscle woman stays and not a random dude who annoys you with critisism that could drive her away. A women that only became attractive for you when she turned 18. Not a single day before. Because you are way better than I am. You never would lust for a woman below 18 :) I wish you all the best. God bless you. Bye.
I have been around long enough to know that Ninja is extremely respectful. You attacking him for a possible admiration post which is what you do on this site anyway... After everything thats been said, its clear that you are in fact brainless because all your msgs here basically point to you being a stubbornly sex crazed pedophile. Posting a documentary to justify your weirdo behavior, i guarantee if you tried that energy in real life with people, youd find yourself thrown off a bridge rather quickly. Nobody here thinks you are in the right and you got your head too far up your ass to understand that you are just wrong. Get lost.
Tell them it's highly likely that people they'll be camming with already know their real name and may expose it on their social or elsewhere on the internet.
HB might already be doing this when the camgirls sign up, I have no idea. They're of course disincentivized to tell their new camgirls things that might scare them away so I can see why they wouldn't. Either way it doesn't have much bearing on my decisionmaking, since I can only set policies for this site and not theirs.
I do think that for their most well-known camgirls it's silly to pretend that everyone doesn't already know the person's real identity. However, they also have lots of more obscure camgirls and for them it might make a real difference. As far as GWM policy goes, it's not feasible to have objective criteria for distinguishing between obscure vs. well-known camgirls so it's easiest to have a blanket policy for not revealing their names.
However, I think you're being a bit naive if you think that's what's keeping them away. Realistically what are they really going to discuss here?
I want to emphasize this. Everyone loves to focus on rude messages that girls receive on here such as by the OP of this thread, and while I don't want to trivialize this, I think the reason for the lack of participation on here from women is two-fold. This site is aimed at people who like to look at media of muscular women, and most muscular women themselves just aren't interested in that. This is the single biggest factor that keeps them from joining. Once they do join, then they are faced with an overwhelming amount of attention, both rude and the "you're my goddess" variety, and this combined with their natural lack of interest in the content of the site makes keeping up with the site not worth it for them. The exception would be if they have an ulterior reason for sticking around, such as trying to promote content of themselves they are selling (which I'm OK with in small quantities).
Wow, Tall, thatâs an awful lot to unpack in your last couple of posts.
Protecting someoneâs anonymity and respecting their privacy are two different things. I donât think anyone believes anonymity can be 100% protected. Privacy, itâs a different matter.
âFairâ and âequalâ are not the same thing. Itâs true, sorry to say, you are not equal to an FBB who visits this place.
However, that doesnât mean you are treated unfairly here.
Given that you seem to observe this behavior across multiple platforms, it might suggest that this is a fundamental attribute of social interactionâŚ
I think you're trying to get into the semantics instead of the core point at hand. These cam models do believe they can remain anonymous. Is that not unrealistic? That's what I'm speaking to here. If HBC wants to protect them then they need to be honest and tell them there's no such thing as anonymity in their profession. It's like having Michael Jordan talk to a group of basketball fans and expect them to not know who he is. How illogical would that be??
Personally, I've been on these type of forums since the days of UnrealMuscle.com. Back then everyone was treated fair, everyone got along well, the women were adored but no one simped for them. It was a healthy and mutual respect that went both ways. They were treated like regular people. Bad ass people, but regular people nonetheless. I still remember one situation in particular where an FBB falsely accused someone of trying to impersonate her and tried to rally the members to harass said person. She was respectfully told that she was wrong, the person wasn't trying to impersonate her and we moved on. If something like that happened today most everyone would just rally behind her without question with pitch forks at the ready.
If you want women to respect this community, start treating them like humans as opposed to some sort of mythological figures that we need to serve.
Again, society today is vastly different as a whole. It's much softer. We need to learn to accept that, but I can still call it how I see it at the same time.
Running a website isnt free so saying you wouldnt run ads if it was your website is just silly tbh. It has nothing to do with being a white knight for fbbs. God forbid we accommodate the fbbs when its literally the very reason we are on this site. I am sure some of the girls just dont want tied to hbc and dont wanna get spammed with the "can you throat lift a 40kg man" question, or better yet be added by a bunch of mindless idiots who comment the weirdest shit on their personal accounts. Imagine having someone see the dms and its just spammed with let me buy your used underwear and please call me a sissy bitch. You get the picture now?
I'm aware. I develop and run sites, some for fun, some for profit. This wouldn't be a site I'd be interested in turning profit on, I'd run it at expense for fun, but that's just my personal preference and is entirely irrelevant to the discussion.
To that, I thought about running a political based site, but considering I wouldn't want all of the crazed DMs I ended up deciding against it. See how that works? There are certain things associated with that field of business that just simply weren't for me, so I didn't get into it. Why can't FBBs use the same logic?
Not a good analogy imo. As I am sure the majority have no idea how rude some of these ppl are. The person who made this thread is a very good example. Being proud to flex which in turn resorts to idiots randomly targeting them with condescending crazy talk. So no, i dont think they expect negative energy when they are trying to appease the crowd to begin with. I am sure its a surprise when some of these ppl are totally mental when its absolutely unjustified/illogical. That's exactly why some of the girls quit rather quickly.
Not a good analogy imo. As I am sure the majority have no idea how deep and twisted some of these ppl are. The person who made this thread for example is a very good example.
You must not live in America if you don't think that's a good analogy. IMO threats of death and violence, which political pundits are subject to very often, is a lot worse than "can you lift me" or "can you crush my head". But again this is something beside the point. Working in the sex industry has certain caveats. If you don't like those caveats, then don't join the sex industry.
To that, I thought about running a political based site, but considering I wouldn't want all of the crazed DMs I ended up deciding against it. See how that works? There are certain things associated with that field of business that just simply weren't for me, so I didn't get into it. Why can't FBBs use the same logic?
The same kind of logic applies to men who believe that rape is the woman's fault. "She shouldn't have been dressed like that, what did she expect?"
Oh boy a lot of thoughts. I love threads that blow up its a guilty pleasure.
I make no secret of the fact that I dive into DMs a lot and have been fairly (if not very) successful in getting what I want. For a few of the women we do talk about something non-transactional and more than a few of them have shared some of the worst messages they get from people also trying to dive in their DMs. This goes for even non fbbs. My friend (who is a friend IRL and I knew her before she got into bodybuilding) lamented to me that her newly grown following of 20k+ was mostly men when she wants to train women mostly. She shared with me some of the messages she had gotten and i was pretty disgusted.
Every time someone new shows up on this site someoneâs follower count balloons by a few grand overnight and they all of a sudden get these messages about if they can fart in their face, or make a video stepping on small animals, or whatever. And then we all get mad when they quit social media and/or bodybuilding.
Then thereâs the entitlement. We are not entitled to ANYTHING as fans. Zero. Zip. We are not entitled to this site either. Chainer could up and say heâs done with the project and close it all downâwe take it for granted that the web space is still active.
So every time someone goes on a rant about how someone didnât do xyz even though it seemed a reasonable request and why âhow come I couldnât do thisâ or âhow come we canât post thatââ-just end it. You donât sign up for your phone and expect that you can get away with not paying? That screams ânice guyâ mentality and it pisses me off, which is why you might be on the receiving end of a warning from me. Be better. A no is a no. Ownship gets to set and enforce the rules. We are not owed anything.
I also find it rich that someone that himself claimed his morals didnât match up with our rules and responded to my very post about age limitations on posts doesnât have a leg to stand on. All it takes isâŚwell weâve all seen the news and donât want to be associated with that kind of nonsense.
Also being a SW doesnât mean you should put up with that kind of behavior no matter the $$. Why do you think OF has been so popular? All these women can make bank from their bedroom and never have to share one with the kind of guy that would rant and rave about them one day and call them expletives when she doesnât do what he wants on the next.
I would also like to add that some fans have little to no regard for womens personal lives.
What if their job gets wind of the fact that they have OF. Or even donât like the idea of someone on their payroll being a bodybuilder and posting posts of their bodies on the internet by night but by day are in the classroom, or the courtroom, or the hospital? They could lose their jobs and livelihood.
Great points, fp909. Alas, most of the ones who whine just think with their little brain and not the one that counts; these women are viewed solely as sexual objects to satiate their desires, and nothing more.
The same kind of logic applies to men who believe that rape is the woman's fault. "She shouldn't have been dressed like that, what did she expect?"
Since we're comparing DMs to violent crime then making a conscious decision to join a gang - knowing the lifestyle and people it attracts - is also no one's fault.
the trouble with morally compromised assclown threads is that they almost never fail to attract at least one more assclown into the mix.
I would also like to add that some fans have little to no regard for womens personal lives.
What if their job gets wind of the fact that they have OF. Or even donât like the idea of someone on their payroll being a bodybuilder and posting posts of their bodies on the internet by night but by day are in the classroom, or the courtroom, or the hospital? They could lose their jobs and livelihood.
At what point is it their responsibility to protect their livelihood. There are pos people in the world and there's nothing anyone can do to change that. So if you want to risk your job knowing there are people like that out there, then that's on you.
BTW, I can pull up posts where I've discussed how this community has shot itself in the foot. Specifically in regards to Shannon Courtney, she stopped doing wrestling vids because people tied those videos to her real name. People should absolutely not do that shit, out of respect for them and to not ruin it for us, but they will. So how naive does someone have to be - to think they can do this and remain anonymous knowing full well there are assholes out there. There's only one solution, if you can't mix your sex work with your personal life, then don't do it. Period.
Also worth considering are the amount of FBBs who look down on all the FBBs who decide to make an OF and ruin the sport. It's something that's discussed a lot because it makes it hard to get big sponsors when all your athletes are sex workers. When does that begin to matter as well? They need to stop doing this shit, but they're blinded by the greed.
I think thatâs bad logic these days.
They do it so they should no the risk so thereâs no fault if GWM specifically is involved in outing someoneâs online activity?
I thought we were supposed to be appreciating women with muscle, not taking advantage of them. A true fan would want to expect them and do everything they can to elongate the window that that theyâre active, instead of actively working in ways that shrink their active window early.
I think thatâs bad logic these days.
They do it so they should no the risk so thereâs no fault if GWM specifically is involved in outing someoneâs online activity?
I thought we were supposed to be appreciating women with muscle, not taking advantage of them. A true fan would want to expect them and do everything they can to elongate the window that that theyâre active, instead of actively working in ways that shrink their active window early.
If you truly cared about them you would tell them not to engage in something that would most likely ruin their career or life. But, most people won't do that because they want their content, or their money in HBC's case. That's taking advantage of them. They can be outed on Youtube, Instagram, reddit, Saradas. You can't control all of these mediums, and if you have them believe otherwise then you are taking advantage of them.
As a fan I want them to do whatever is in their best interest. If getting exposed for creating sexual content would harm them, then my advice is to not do it. You have to make decisions based on reality, not what you wish reality to be.
See, youâre still posting the blame in their corner. You canât control their decisions. You can only control yours. This is the same thinking as âshe dressed like she wanted to get x attention so she should expect x attentionâ. If you cant see that I cant help you.
Can we control what we do on these boards? Yeah. Thatâs why there are rules, like no low quality images, or nudity.
Their decisions, however questionable, donât give any of us carte blanche to say âwell it would have happened anywayâ or âthey ruined their lives the moment they signed up for thisâ
If you truly cared about them you would tell them not to engage in something that would most likely ruin their career or life. But, most people won't do that because they want their content, or their money in HBC's case. That's taking advantage of them. They can be outed on Youtube, Instagram, reddit, Saradas. You can't control all of these mediums, and if you have them believe otherwise then you are taking advantage of them.
As a fan I want them to do whatever is in their best interest. If getting exposed for creating sexual content would harm them, then my advice is to not do it. You have to make decisions based on reality, not what you wish reality to be.
You keep saying SW and its annoying because this giant convo is stemming from someone who did PG13 stuff.
And how hard is it for a fbb to make a fake name and have their personal profiles unfindable/private. I wouldnt doubt that its been done. But keep typing your heart out though, you clearly have an issue with having to be right on the internet since youre posting laughable analogies.
See, youâre still posting the blame in their corner. You canât control their decisions. You can only control yours. This is the same thinking as âshe dressed like she wanted to get x attention so she should expect x attentionâ. If you cant see that I cant help you.
Can we control what we do on these boards? Yeah. Thatâs why there are rules, like no low quality images, or nudity.
Their decisions, however questionable, donât give any of us carte blanche to say âwell it would have happened anywayâ or âthey ruined their lives the moment they signed up for thisâ
Would you let your daughter go out in booty shorts? In the words of Dave Chappelle, you might not be a hoe, but you're wearing a hoe's uniform which is awfully confusing.
Anyway, you're misunderstanding what I'm trying to say so there's no point. I'm not blaming anyone. Blame isn't the right word. If I post political content and start getting hate mail because of it, that's not something I deserve to have happen. So I wouldn't blame myself. However, I have to understand it's going to happen and part of the territory, unfortunately. I'm not placing the girls at fault for what happens.
I'm not taking the approach of "it would have happened anyway", I'm taking an approach that would actually help them.
You keep saying SW and its annoying because this giant convo is stemming from someone who did PG13 stuff.
And how hard is it for a fbb to make a fake name and have their personal profiles unfindable/private. I wouldnt doubt that its been done. But keep typing your heart out though, you clearly have an issue with having to be right on the internet since youre posting laughable analogies.
Sorry SW triggers you, but the conversation led to camming and OF which is most certainly qualifiable as sex work. PG13 content can still be considered sex work as well though.
Lol you've got more to project from, bro? Don't let the door hit you on the way out đ