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Without steroids and HGH there is no bodybuilding. There is no bodybuilding industry without the gear. Steroids and HGH are an essential part of being a bodybuilder. If Shanique is saying that bodybuilding was pure before 2016 is obviously lying and not telling the truth because it looks like she is looking for sponsors to help her out so she can make money and such. So that's why she's not being sincere about bodybuilding. And just so you I've spoken to a few nutrition companies spokespeople via the Arnold Expo and visiting Optimum Nutrition in Chicago about female bodybuilders being sponsored or being a spokesperson for their products and they told me that they do not want FBB's on the cover of their products because the customers would turn away from purchasing their product because of the way FBB's look. They want normal looking fitness models or bikini models. Male bodybuilders are well off in the sponsor area but female bodybuilders have a huge mountain to climb and they fall off fast. Very rarely do they ever make it.
Long term heavy users end up looking nasty, for the most part. I think the whole goal on this is to look and be fit and healthy. You don't need 17 inch arms to be fit and healthy. Working out should just somehow fit into an overall lifestyle. If you are working your muscles hard and eating good you will certainly stand out in a crowd especially today.
It's just about how show related this industry is
I doubt those women aren't aware of the long-term health effects of steroid use. If they accept the trade-off, then let them drink steroids by the liter for all I care.
> @jimmycolt > > That's pretty much what people mean when they say "he/she has good genetics" in bodybuilding. They already have that all but essential foundation for building lots of muscle (mesomorphs). > > To the original question: > > No, bodybuilders do not need steroids. But if they are to reach the pro level, let alone have any success competing at that level, then they do need steroids. That's just the way it is. > > But then it also depends on your definition of "bodybuilder." For me, when someone says "female bodybuilder," that means someone who literally competes in the Women's Bodybuilding division. If your definition of the word is much broader than that, then we'd be here all day while I write about women who dose vs. women who don't dose and the general fallacies people make in assuming that just because a woman is a certain size that she must be dosing, or that smaller women don't dose at all. There is in fact an extremely large grey area that it seems most people don't consider at all. > > So all I'm saying is that smaller women who you'd think aren't dosing, are... and some larger women (up to a point) who you'd swear are taking steroids, aren't. It just depends on the person... some take steroids when they don't even really need it, and some don't take it just because their bodies naturally respond better to training than others (genetics).
BB can be done w/o roids or gear. It will be harder to do but not impossible and the gains will be long lasting.
It can be done, but all the transformations many ifbb fans admire like Alajahji would happen in 3-4 times more year
Yeah, she said the sport was “pure” before 2016……c’mon, can’t take this seriously with a comment like that. There was a switch flipped past a decade ago where the women went from girls with muscle to women just one more PED shy of becoming a man.
Look at a 90’s bodybuilder compared to today’s competitor……
Steroids have been used in female bodybuilding since day one, doses and cycles were alot smaller. Why do you think girls today can take what they do? Because there is always someone willing to try something abit stronger, use slightly higher dose, do a longer cycle than everyone else. I used to know a lady who competed in the mid 1980s and she said her cycle was 5mg of anvar a day for 6 weeks twice a year. And she reckoned that was a pretty normal cycle.
Without steroids and HGH there is no bodybuilding. There is no bodybuilding industry without the gear. Steroids and HGH are an essential part of being a bodybuilder.
Not really. If you look at some of the circus athletes of the early 20th century, when no steroids were available, some of them still reached Cory Everson-level mass, maybe slightly more (with less definition though). So with creatine and legal supplements of today even more would be possible. Bodybuilding without steroids could be a thing, it just wouldn't be as freaky as it is.
Not really. If you look at some of the circus athletes of the early 20th century, when no steroids were available, some of them still reached Cory Everson-level mass, maybe slightly more (with less definition though). So with creatine and legal supplements of today even more would be possible. Bodybuilding without steroids could be a thing, it just wouldn't be as freaky as it is.
Have you ever seen actual natural bodybuilders? They look practically emaciated when they are stage ready.
And without PEDs, a female lifter would probably not have the musculature to make it on a site like this. Almost all the women on this site are on something.
Not really. If you look at some of the circus athletes of the early 20th century, when no steroids were available, some of them still reached Cory Everson-level mass, maybe slightly more (with less definition though). So with creatine and legal supplements of today even more would be possible. Bodybuilding without steroids could be a thing, it just wouldn't be as freaky as it is.
True. But the bodybuilding industry in the past 40 years and more relied heavily on steroids and HGH. Creatine is a great supplement but it's nothing compared to steroids and HGH. These are by far the superior gear that bodybuilders will use to get noticed on stage and in their personal lives.
True. But the bodybuilding industry in the past 40 years and more relied heavily on steroids and HGH. Creatine is a great supplement but it's nothing compared to steroids and HGH. These are by far the superior gear that bodybuilders will use to get noticed on stage and in their personal lives.
Obviously. I'm mostly just saying that (some) women can have natural yet impressive musculature if they just eat right and train hard.
I'm with teniss4.
if you've been following this thread, you've seen quite a few contributors who refuse to accept the fact that some women can build impressive amounts of muscle without juicing.
They remind me of the troglodytes on YouTube who claim a woman can't play lead guitar at the Jimmy Page/Carlos Santana level because "girls just don't have what it takes".
Jennifer Basset and Orianthi Panagaris kind of blow that nonsense out of the water...
I'm with teniss4.
if you've been following this thread, you've seen quite a few contributors who refuse to accept the fact that some women can build impressive amounts of muscle without juicing.
I'm sorry but this comes across as a massively uneducated statement. How closely involved with the bodybuilding community are you?
Those of us who bodybuild ourselves see first hand how widespread PED use is. "Steroids" are everywhere. Never mind competitions. Even just casual people at the gym who don't compete are on them.
Try bodybuilding naturally yourself. It's fucking hard, for a MAN. The time it takes to make progress is ridiculous.
I wouldn't say genetic freaks are impossible but I've personally never met any. And I've met a lot of bodybuilders.
I agree with trevorphillips. It's just how it is. It's even harder for women/girls to build than guys and we live in an instant society. They are used to that. Only the minority enter competitions, but the majority are posting photos to social media accounts. That's often the reason for wanting to be bigger, fitter, leaner quickly. Someone asked at the beginning of this thread about how someone would be big at 16/17 and how they would get juice at 14. For that age group, it is no longer some shady guy at the gym. It's online. It's just as easy to order as anything else online. That's the source. That's why they are doing it.
Obviously. I'm mostly just saying that (some) women can have natural yet impressive musculature if they just eat right and train hard.
Impressive is relative, and it's difficult to be "impressive" w/out drugs if we're comparing the physiques on this site.
It's also exceedingly easy to rationalize taking illegal drugs. A deep tan is not healthy. Elective surgery to insert foreign substances into one's chest does not promote physical health. The supplement industry is shady, yet people claim to load up. What's wrong with getting something that doctors prescribe? The most dangerous aspect of the "fitness" industry is probably the extreme dieting, yet people rebel against basic biology by restricting food and water. Then there's the biggest factor of all: Everybody else is doing it. We're social creatures, and behavior is contagious.
What's more likely: Someone who is natural but looks like they're on gear, or someone who looks like they're on gear, but lies about it? It's illegal, they have sponsors, they're selling programs, etc., of course they're going to lie.
It's also about changing their bodies quickly, which is normal for their generation. Fillers, diet pills, the trans agenda. Piercings, tattoos. It's in the same orbit.
And greater pressure to change due to social media. It's not just models on fitness magazines.
Wrong.
And we can safely assume that this is not the upper limit of what is possible.
Yes, Luisita Leers proves that muscularity above the norm is possible. I agree with that. Consider that she did body weight exercise nearly every day and had little to no access to junk foods. However, although her physique is excellent, I can not agree that she would win a modern-day competition. Despite her training and diet, she is still "fluffy" by competition standards. That's an area where PEDs are helpful.
And then there's empirical evidence. Where are all the women like Luisita today, and why aren't they winning contests?
The thing about Luisita Leers is that she was at her peak during the 1930's, and she was living in Germany. I've read that Nazi soldiers were using steroids during that time, but I do not know the extent to how available steroids were to the public. Could it be possible that Luisita had access to steroids? I do not know.
And then there's empirical evidence. Where are all the women like Luisita today, and why aren't they winning contests?
Exactly. This guy's "evidence" is still pictures of a lady we can't even verify because she's been dead for 50 years.
Solid science 👍
I'm sorry but this comes across as a massively uneducated statement. How closely involved with the bodybuilding community are you?
Those of us who bodybuild ourselves see first hand how widespread PED use is. "Steroids" are everywhere. Never mind competitions. Even just casual people at the gym who don't compete are on them.
Try bodybuilding naturally yourself. It's fucking hard, for a MAN. The time it takes to make progress is ridiculous.
I wouldn't say genetic freaks are impossible but I've personally never met any. And I've met a lot of bodybuilders.
All of what you said is exactly true and right on target.
Yeah, she said the sport was “pure” before 2016……c’mon, can’t take this seriously with a comment like that. There was a switch flipped past a decade ago where the women went from girls with muscle to women just one more PED shy of becoming a man.
Look at a 90’s bodybuilder compared to today’s competitor……