Paige Dumars and Renee Toney

I don’t understand the question. Why wouldn’t they?

They both have masculine features

Like what for example?

Chainer pretty much already clarified his stance on cases like these two: they are allowed, but excessive unmoderated negativity can warrant deleting a specific picture.

Here.

Some people brought up Paige Dumars, and actually the same thing applies to her images. We've had discussions about it in mod chat and haven't come up with a good solution, so we do what we have done with trans posts up until now; delete the more extreme posts that get out of hand. Unlike trans women, Paige doesn't fit into a cleanly identifiable category for which we can have a separate forum section.

I'm guessing this has something to do with the recent trans conversations. In that light, and of course I'm not a moderator so what I think doesn't mean much, but unless they actually have a dick then I see no reason for them to be removed. If comments are getting out of control I don't like the removing of the picture instead of removing the comments. A few snowflakes that can't handle looking at something that isn't expressly for them and pleasing to them getting to influence what the rest of us get to see I feel is the wrong way to handle those issues. Running a site like this is hard and I mean no disrespect.

But one second we're talking about removing trans women (ok but debatable) and now we are talking about removing women that you see as manly. Those are two different things. I've sat through conversations where people accused Gwen Stefanie of looking like a man because she has abs. That's a slippery slope. Dick or No Dick I can understand but this is too far.

I'm guessing this has something to do with the recent trans conversations. In that light, and of course I'm not a moderator so what I think doesn't mean much, but unless they actually have a dick then I see no reason for them to be removed. If comments are getting out of control I don't like the removing of the picture instead of removing the comments. A few snowflakes that can't handle looking at something that isn't expressly for them and pleasing to them getting to influence what the rest of us get to see I feel is the wrong way to handle those issues. Running a site like this is hard and I mean no disrespect.

But one second we're talking about removing trans women (ok but debatable) and now we are talking about removing women that you see as manly. Those are two different things. I've sat through conversations where people accused Gwen Stefanie of looking like a man because she has abs. That's a slippery slope. Dick or No Dick I can understand but this is too far.

Another name from the old Unrealmuscle days...

And I agree.

Reading this is so depressing ,having a conversation and not inviting a TG to it..shows ignorance..i work with many Transgenders and...im cool with it...dont put blinkers on life . .it stiffles one view.

Well, ok. For one this is a public forum so no one needs to be invited. Two, and please understand my feelings on this are very much in the development phase as this is a bit new to a lot of us but I do think that, to be crass, what is swinging between your legs is important. There was a recent discussion on here about what kind of site this is. The original poster seemed to be...surprised, offended I'm not sure what word they would use but they didn't seem to like that a lot of comments under pictures were of a sexual nature. I believe this site is very much in the sexual realm. Yes it's supposed to be an appreciation site but really I would say most of us are here to fantasize about the women featured here.

Now with that in mind I do feel there is and perhaps should be a distinction between naturally born females and transgender. I am all for everyone's rights. No one should ever be persecuted for who they are. But I don't think I or any of us should have to change what we are attracted to because someone else feels a certain way. Or believes they should have been born a certain way. Now without nudity on the site I would imagine we wouldn't even know with some of these women but again this is about fantasy and in that fantasy I would be very put out if we got back to the bedroom and took off our clothes and she didn't have a vagina. I don't think that's wrong. Genitals do matter. Believe me I work in a hospital and when we start to put a Foley in you it very much matters what equipment you have down there.

Again I do want to stress that I do believe that these people should be respected and given every opportunity that anyone else has. But I don't think I should have to change my own fantasies to accommodate them.

Keeping them although we may delete individual pictures that cross a subjective line determined by us.

I'm not interested in regularly having a "too masculine or not" debate on various women's pictures.