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Suggestion: Hide names and comments from guests

M76
Feb 05, 2021 - permalink

It seems to me that this would be a good idea to prevent unwanted attention, so the google search crawler couldn't index comments and names of the girls on the site. Also when someone stumbles on their own images on the site their knee jerk reaction wouldn't be to erase them immediately.

Feb 05, 2021 - permalink

That would turn GWM into AnonIB: a site to share photos of women without them knowing, and against their wishes.

It's better for names to be indexed and visible for the site's SEO, and morally. It's always best if the women know about their presence here and allow it willingly, or have the option to remove them.

Plenty of other sites don't respect DMCA takedowns. Girlymuscles, fitnudegirls, and Saradas are some of many. Just go there to see blacklisted models.

Feb 05, 2021 - permalink

I think it would be a very bad idea, for the reasons expressed by Green_Tea. Hiding comments might also result in even more offensive comments than the the site has at the moment. I'm very happy to be a member of a group that transparently worships/admires/respects women's muscular beauty. But I definitely wouldn't want to be a part of one that sought to prevent the women themselves from having the choice to remove their pics, for whatever reason, or to see what's being said about them.

M76
Feb 05, 2021 - edited Feb 05, 2021 - permalink

The intent is not that the women themselves be kept in the dark about the site, but the GP. When someone googles their name and this is the first place that comes up, that is no good even if otherwise they would have no problem with the attention.

Besides The pictures are already shown against their wishes for the most part. Do you think any of the posters ask permission to post their ig pics here? Don't pretend that 99% of women wouldn't want their pics removed if they were aware of this site.

If you were truly concerned about their wishes you should ask every girl individually whether they are OK with the pics being here, and not wait for them to find out about it accidentally.

Chainer
Feb 05, 2021 - permalink

the GP

The what?

Feb 05, 2021 - permalink

I think he means "general public"?

Feb 05, 2021 - permalink

M76. I don't know whether you're replying to me or Green_Tea or both. You seem confident that 99% of the females pictured would want their pics removed. On what evidence? I suspect that's a guess on your part, but I don't have access to that kind of information, and don't go in for pretending. If you've got evidence that supports your estimate then I'd like to see it, as I, for one, will immediately log out and stay away if you're right.

In your final paragraph you resort to a further insult when you say "If you were truly concerned about their wishes" etc. In other words I'm pretending again. I disagreed with you and you seem to have taken offence and resorted to personal attack. Even if you can show that you're right - which I very much doubt - that won't in any way imply that I was pretending. I was simply expressing my honest opinion. People are entitled to disagree. The collision of opinion is beneficial. But there's no place for insult in honest exchanges of views.

Getting back to your restricting access point, why would the site want to prevent access by the general public/non members? I'd guess that traffic is important to the site. But that, again, obviously, is only a guess on my part.

I see no point or value in your suggestion on the grounds you've mentioned so far.

Chainer
Feb 05, 2021 - permalink

The impression I get from this thread and from Why do women ask to be removed from the site is that people think takedown requests are much more frequent or significant than they actually are.

Let me respond to the two suggestions brought up in this thread:

Showing comments only to logged in users

This is an interesting idea, and one I am willing to consider. I have long struggled trying to solve the problem of the comments giving a terrible first impression of the site to women who find their pictures here and visit. There are upwards of 500 image comments every day so just the sheer volume makes it difficult to moderate (I personally probably ever read less than 10% of them). Even if we did successfully remove the worst offenders among the comments, we'd still be left with a majority of comments that are variations of "sexy!" and if we disallowed even that, we'd have no comments section.

Just hiding the comments for guest users seems like a good solution to this.

Showing names to logged in users only

This I disagree with. As people have pointed out above, this would decrease how well the site shows up in Google searches, which among other effects, would be bad for the site's long term health, as it would disrupt the inflow of new users. Every site has an attrition rate of previously active users who leave the site, and if the inflow of new users goes below this rate for very long, the userbase dwindles and the site dies off.

Feb 05, 2021 - permalink

Chainer. . . . Very reasonable response. Given that it's so hard to moderate all of the comments and that, as a result, some negative stuff will get through - which is bad for the site's image - I agree that it makes sense to show them only to logged in users.

[deleted]
Feb 05, 2021 - permalink

some of the comments reflect so poorly on the site, specifically stuff like "wow baby you i would do xyz to you" even knowing that the actual person isn't posting. stuff like that happens more frequently than the egregious comments and it would be great to have a way that it's not publicly visible.

Chainer
Feb 06, 2021 - permalink

some of the comments reflect so poorly on the site, specifically stuff like "wow baby you i would do xyz to you" even knowing that the actual person isn't posting. stuff like that happens more frequently than the egregious comments and it would be great to have a way that it's not publicly visible.

Yeah, this is the kind of thing we actively try to delete but in reality probably only get to a small fraction of them.

Feb 07, 2021 - permalink

The main site is fine, but if the forum isn't already, it should be free from search and guests.

And, obviously, we should have a pinned thread to discuss the girls who have been blacklisted (Rachel P, Patricia G, etc). I'm certain there are some amazing publicly available pictures I have not seen because they're banned from this site.

Feb 07, 2021 - permalink

That would turn GWM into AnonIB: a site to share photos of women without them knowing, and against their wishes.

It's better for names to be indexed and visible for the site's SEO, and morally. It's always best if the women know about their presence here and allow it willingly, or have the option to remove them.

Plenty of other sites don't respect DMCA takedowns. Girlymuscles, fitnudegirls, and Saradas are some of many. Just go there to see blacklisted models.

Agree with this. One of my main issues with sites like Tumblr aside from the highly abusive manner in which female (and male) physique and fitness models are often depicted and treated on the site, is the complete disregard with respect to the names of the people posted. More disturbingly, the recent trend appears to be a will full misrepresentation of models on these sites: from the propagation of the wrong name (perhaps by accident) to taking someone's image and digitally morphing it.

Feb 07, 2021 - permalink

There aren't that many, but only a few of the members care about the women who aren't well-known in the first place, so the perception or impact feels outsized.

Feb 07, 2021 - permalink

I agree that the discussion boards are most concerning for guests not logged in. Imagine you're one of these girls who's relatively new to the scene who googles yourself and sees some of the topics being discussed on the board -- it'd be shocking.

The more this site can do to present itself as something that the models would want to see rather than what the most fetish-y aspects of the scene would want to see, the better.

M76
Feb 07, 2021 - permalink

The impression I get from this thread and from Why do women ask to be removed from the site is that people think takedown requests are much more frequent or significant than they actually are.

Let me respond to the two suggestions brought up in this thread:

Showing comments only to logged in users

This is an interesting idea, and one I am willing to consider. I have long struggled trying to solve the problem of the comments giving a terrible first impression of the site to women who find their pictures here and visit. There are upwards of 500 image comments every day so just the sheer volume makes it difficult to moderate (I personally probably ever read less than 10% of them). Even if we did successfully remove the worst offenders among the comments, we'd still be left with a majority of comments that are variations of "sexy!" and if we disallowed even that, we'd have no comments section.

Just hiding the comments for guest users seems like a good solution to this.

Showing names to logged in users only

This I disagree with. As people have pointed out above, this would decrease how well the site shows up in Google searches, which among other effects, would be bad for the site's long term health, as it would disrupt the inflow of new users. Every site has an attrition rate of previously active users who leave the site, and if the inflow of new users goes below this rate for very long, the userbase dwindles and the site dies off.

Well only you can know how many requests come in. However even if there are not that many I think that's more because the majority don't realize their IG pics are being reposted here. Rather than them being OK with it. Some don't ask to be removed, just shut down or private their instagram. That doesn't mean their pictures aren't here against their will.

That is why I think hiding names would protect the women from their friends and collegagues accidentally stumbling on this site, which doesn't reflect very well say in a corporate environment. After all many of the women posted here are not fitness professionals just hobbyists, with regular lives.

I didn't consider how would this affect site traffic, but you are right it might have a negative effect on new users finding the site. At the end of the day you have to decide this conundrum. I just suggested something, which it seems many others completely misconstrued for malicious intent.

Feb 07, 2021 - permalink

@M76...at least you care enough to make suggestions!!👍

[deleted]
Feb 08, 2021 - permalink

I'd like to bring something up that I just came across. A user has posted photos of someone and serially refuses to add real names to the photos, respond to PMs about that information, or post social media info.

This is fine, I get this.

However, claiming to want to protect them from "creeps" from the site by withholding that information while simultaneously taking photos from their accounts without their knowledge and posting them here, knowing that someone will find it and dig up that info anyway is a joke. If you're really interested in protecting them from harassment, don't post the photos at all.

Feb 09, 2021 - permalink

I'd like to bring something up that I just came across. A user has posted photos of someone and serially refuses to add real names to the photos, respond to PMs about that information, or post social media info.

This is fine, I get this.

However, claiming to want to protect them from "creeps" from the site by withholding that information while simultaneously taking photos from their accounts without their knowledge and posting them here, knowing that someone will find it and dig up that info anyway is a joke. If you're really interested in protecting them from harassment, don't post the photos at all.

You're probably talking about Deltz. I'm sure they mean what they say, but just have a fundamentally flawed means of execution.

Feb 09, 2021 - permalink

It's better to have and not know than not know and not have.

In the case of Deltz, it does feel somewhat pathological. Zealous.

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